Kaonohi> Most of your comments I considered baiting. It seems obvious you know no one on death row nor anyone serving a life sentence.
Nobu> If you consider my comments baiting, perhaps you should debate with me. Contrary to your wild imagination, I personally knew someone who was serving a Life WithOut Parole Sentence right here in Hawaii, and I also personally knew a person on Death Row in Florida, but I lost track of him.
I also communicated with parents of Death Row inmates, and murder victim survivors. I did not make my opinion on capital punishment out of the blue. I was once opposed to it like you are. I once thought those who were pro capital punishment were uneducated. I learned that it is the other way around. Did you know that Life WithOut Parole (LWOP) here in Hawaii has no definitive meaning??? After 20 years of incarceration serving a LWOP sentence, a convict might be released. If you don't believe me, look it up.
Kaonohi> Lifers are always hoping for release or death, with release primary except for some who cannot readjust to civilian life.
Nobu> Contrary to your strange belief, most people on Death Row would gladly have their sentences commuted to LWOP. If they would prefer to die, you would see more volunteers dropping all of their appeals to be executed sooner. You don't see that, because they do not want to die, and they would rather live incarcerated.
Kaonohi> Gandhi said: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
Nobu> Sure! But Gandi is not in law enforcement.
Kaonohi> Granted, we cannot let murderers run free; should we instead look for efficient ways at eliminating our responsibility?
Nobu> Unfortunately, we do let murderers run free. The recidivism rate of murderers who are released from prison is about 6 percent. You may look that up in the US Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Kaonohi> It is better that 100 murderers spend their life in prison than one innocent person get murdered by the government.
Nobu> I agree. But as I pointed out to you, LWOP here in Hawaii does not have a definitive meaning. Actually, it is better to kill one innocent person than to let 100 convicted murderers to go free simply on the recidivism statistic of SIX PERCENT that I mentioned.
Kaonohi> "Murder: The crime of unlawfully killing a person."
Nobu> Correct. Therefore, being that executions are not unlawful, an execution by the state is never murder. You should not call an execution "murder". However, what would be correct, is that an execution is a cold blooded, premeditated legal homicide of a murderer. I hope you can remember, I was once opposed to capital punishment as much as you are, and probably more.
Kaonohi> Depends on who or what you consider as the arbiter of lawful.
Nobu> That is very simple. Go to the penal codes for the state. It clearly defines "murder"
Kaonohi> You and I are miles apart. You are a killer, by default.
Nobu> Yes, we are miles apart. However, you also, are a killer by default. Any murderer who commits murder after being convicted should be your responsibility. At least, the killings I support are of those who are convicted of murder, which violating an innocent person's right to live.
Hi Kalalau,
I think there is a difference between war and peace when it comes to crime. When a government is defeated, or when a coup is defeated many times, the leaders and the mercenaries are executed. The crime is only being on the losing side.
Nobu
Nobu> If you consider my comments baiting, perhaps you should debate with me. Contrary to your wild imagination, I personally knew someone who was serving a Life WithOut Parole Sentence right here in Hawaii, and I also personally knew a person on Death Row in Florida, but I lost track of him.
I also communicated with parents of Death Row inmates, and murder victim survivors. I did not make my opinion on capital punishment out of the blue. I was once opposed to it like you are. I once thought those who were pro capital punishment were uneducated. I learned that it is the other way around. Did you know that Life WithOut Parole (LWOP) here in Hawaii has no definitive meaning??? After 20 years of incarceration serving a LWOP sentence, a convict might be released. If you don't believe me, look it up.
Kaonohi> Lifers are always hoping for release or death, with release primary except for some who cannot readjust to civilian life.
Nobu> Contrary to your strange belief, most people on Death Row would gladly have their sentences commuted to LWOP. If they would prefer to die, you would see more volunteers dropping all of their appeals to be executed sooner. You don't see that, because they do not want to die, and they would rather live incarcerated.
Kaonohi> Gandhi said: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
Nobu> Sure! But Gandi is not in law enforcement.
Kaonohi> Granted, we cannot let murderers run free; should we instead look for efficient ways at eliminating our responsibility?
Nobu> Unfortunately, we do let murderers run free. The recidivism rate of murderers who are released from prison is about 6 percent. You may look that up in the US Bureau of Justice Statistics.
Kaonohi> It is better that 100 murderers spend their life in prison than one innocent person get murdered by the government.
Nobu> I agree. But as I pointed out to you, LWOP here in Hawaii does not have a definitive meaning. Actually, it is better to kill one innocent person than to let 100 convicted murderers to go free simply on the recidivism statistic of SIX PERCENT that I mentioned.
Kaonohi> "Murder: The crime of unlawfully killing a person."
Nobu> Correct. Therefore, being that executions are not unlawful, an execution by the state is never murder. You should not call an execution "murder". However, what would be correct, is that an execution is a cold blooded, premeditated legal homicide of a murderer. I hope you can remember, I was once opposed to capital punishment as much as you are, and probably more.
Kaonohi> Depends on who or what you consider as the arbiter of lawful.
Nobu> That is very simple. Go to the penal codes for the state. It clearly defines "murder"
Kaonohi> You and I are miles apart. You are a killer, by default.
Nobu> Yes, we are miles apart. However, you also, are a killer by default. Any murderer who commits murder after being convicted should be your responsibility. At least, the killings I support are of those who are convicted of murder, which violating an innocent person's right to live.
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I think there is a difference between war and peace when it comes to crime. When a government is defeated, or when a coup is defeated many times, the leaders and the mercenaries are executed. The crime is only being on the losing side.
Nobu
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