The Hillary Rodham Clinton Watch

[glossyp]

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see what I mean? HRC has too much baggage.

Yes, he's about 6'2" and weighs about 200 lbs!

Perhaps she could be a good president. I am just ready for someone who is NOT a Clinton OR a Bush - literally and figuratively. I don't think more of the same is what we need.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

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Yes, he's about 6'2" and weighs about 200 lbs!

Perhaps she could be a good president. I am just ready for someone who is NOT a Clinton OR a Bush - literally and figuratively. I don't think more of the same is what we need.

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[glossyp]

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[sinjin]

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what is "that feminine quality"? Seriously, I am curious.

Although you aren't typical sin, your opinion on HRC is, and she must be heeding the bigger vibe. HRC seems to tailor herself in soft clothing and hairstyles. Her body language also is careful to combat appearing like Rosey the Riveter. (old WWII poster, not comedienne)

People make fun of her cackle (which I didn't notice as unusual). Her femininity is always always on trial, and I want to know what is it? Nothing about her seems the teensiest bit masculine to me. She is a strong woman, quite typical of someone who has been in a 30 yr marriage. Look at a lot of 60 yr old women around you and tell me you cannot see HRC as part of that flock.

Really, enquiring minds want to know. Not to argue, but because chances are chicks like me are going to turn into 60 yr old broads one day, and what is it that we can/cannot do to assure that we are indeed feminine (now this seems snarky, but I really don't mean it).

I think that maybe it's "grace".

[glossyp]

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Camille Paglia, one of my favorite writers, answers a question about HRC in her Salon column.

Hillary's willingness to tolerate Bill's compulsive philandering is a function of her general contempt for men. She distrusts them and feels morally superior to them. Following the pattern of her long-suffering mother, she thinks it is her mission to endure every insult and personal degradation for a higher cause -- which, unlike her self-sacrificing mother, she identifies with her near-messianic personal ambition.

The final sentence of this paragraph is particularly damning.

Hillary's disdain for masculinity fits right into the classic feminazi package, which is why Hillary acts on Gloria Steinem like catnip. Steinem's fawning, gaseous New York Times op-ed about her pal Hillary this week speaks volumes about the snobby clubbiness and reactionary sentimentality of the fossilized feminist establishment, which has blessedly fallen off the cultural map in the 21st century. History will judge Steinem and company very severely for their ethically obtuse indifference to the stream of working-class women and female subordinates whom Bill Clinton sexually harassed and abused, enabled by look-the-other-way and trash-the-victims Hillary.

Despite Paglia's disdain for HRC, she does say she will vote for HRC if she is the Dem nominee, but will be voting for Obama in the Pennsylvania primary.
Read the entire piece.

[cynsaligia]

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from salon.com's broadsheet:

Chris Matthews, last night: "I will never underestimate Hillary Clinton again."

Chris Matthews, this morning: "The reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner, is her husband messed around ... She didn't win it on the merits."

(see video of matthews via link above)

broadsheet's response:

Well! If that's the formula, then Pamela Anderson would be ruler of the universe.

[glossyp]

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Race is becoming a flashpoint in the campaign. It must be quite painful for HRC to be on the receiving end of accusations of racism after her comments about MLK Jr. and President Johnson. Times UK column on the matter.

Polling group Rassmussen notes the growing racial divide in the Dem camp.

[U'ilani]

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David Brooks put it well:

The problem is that both the feminist movement Clinton rides and the civil rights rhetoric Obama uses were constructed at a time when the enemy was the reactionary white male establishment. Today, they are not facing the white male establishment. They are facing each other.

All the rhetorical devices that have been a staple of identity politics are now being exploited by the Clinton and Obama campaigns against each other. They are competing to play the victim. They are both accusing each other of insensitivity. They are both deliberately misinterpreting each other’s comments in order to somehow imply that the other is morally retrograde.
All the habits of verbal thuggery that have long been used against critics of affirmative action, like Ward Churchill and Thomas Sowell, and critics of the radical feminism, like Christina Hoff Summers, are now being turned inward by the Democratic front-runners.

This all makes for great entertainment, and we'll see different fireworks, but fireworks nonetheless, from the republicans--but what's depressing is the reality that we're going to have to choose a president from among this small group of undesirable candidates.

[craigwatanabe]

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ya know Edwards is looking better and better

[Ron Whitfield]

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Compared to the inhuman trash inhabiting the White House now, that have wasted this country (to say the least!), and aren't done yet, it would be a great relief to have Ms. Clinton as President. Hardly my ultimate choice at present, but better than Bill, for sure. Not that the Republicans will give her a second of anything but a bigger bunch of BS than they did during her husband's term.
She's a real human being with a heart and a soul, even if some can't see it, and has some good ideas that will take a long while to put into effect, as it'll take many years just to reverse the crap Bush/Cheney have done to us (and the rest of the world) before anybody new (no Republicans allowed!) can really get in gear to prove their worth.
How anybody can grumble about any woman in politics not showing anything but a callous side ain't realizing how brutal the game is. That she can be as womanly as she is after the whacks she's taken over the years, is a real tribute to her many abilities.
Whomever get's the job will have to deal with the immenent and soon total collapse of the US dollar that everybody outside of the US can clearly see is about to happen, which will make the 30's deppression look like a cake walk in the park, and will take everything off the table just to address this one immense matter. The next few or more years ain't gonna be fun, folks.

[glossyp]

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How anybody can grumble about any woman in politics not showing anything but a callous side ain't realizing how brutal the game is. That she can be as womanly as she is after the whacks she's taken over the years, is a real tribute to her many abilities.

I trust that you don't mean that politics is too hard for women and the only way for them to survive is to be callous.
And, I would guess that there are many people out there who have taken whacks from HRC, not the least amongst these the women she trashed to 'save' Bill.

[U'ilani]

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And, I would guess that there are many people out there who have taken whacks from HRC, not the least amongst these the women she trashed to 'save' Bill.

Exactly right.

[U'ilani]

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Jay Leno:

“It looks like the Democratic field is really starting to get narrowed down. For Democrats, it’s going to be Barack Obama vs. Hillary. So, it’s a black man or a white woman. A black man or a white woman. You know, this is the same decision Michael Jackson has to make every morning of his life.”

On the serious side, one poll shows Hillary and Obama pretty much tied at 39-38.

[cynsaligia]

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I trust that you don't mean that politics is too hard for women and the only way for them to survive is to be callous.

i certainly didn't read mr. whitfield's post in that matter. i read it as politics is hard (for men and women both) and it makes sense that a woman in politics would show a calloused side. heck, the men do--all the time--but they're not criticized for being "too masculine" or "too heartless" or "selling their soul to succeed" when they do--not the way women in politics are.

but that's another thread.

anyway, my view is similar to mr. whitfield's as well as that which appeared in either a blog or comment to a blog i read in either salon.com or huffingtonpost. com (sorry, i can't find it at the moment):

bush/cheney have effed up national security, the economy (impending recession, anyone?), international relations, iraq/middle east, and so on to the detriment of the country and typical americans but to the benefit of themselves and their friends that the effects will last longer than we fear. THAT is bush/cheney's legacy. it may very well take more than just an HRC presidency or an obama presidency to fix.

i see it taking no less than two terms of hillary plus two terms of obama to set things right.

[glossyp]

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i certainly didn't read mr. whitfield's post in that matter. i read it as politics is hard (for men and women both) and it makes sense that a woman in politics would show a calloused side.

I was referring specifically to this sentence (italics added): "How anybody can grumble about any woman in politics not showing anything but a callous side ain't realizing how brutal the game is." and I did give him the benefit of the doubt by using the phrase, "I trust you didn't mean..."

Frankly, I don't expect anyone to be treated fairly (whatever that means) in our political process: Romney is assailed because of his religion, a whispering campaign about Obama's supposed Muslim leanings (gee, wonder what candidate started that one????) simmers away, Guiliani's personal relationships are media fodder, Edwards $400 hair cuts and 28000sf house make the news - the list goes on and on. I really don't think HRC is taking harder hits than anyone else. She may have more vulnerabilites than some due to her history, but she is who she is.

Blaming the general distaste many have for her on her gender is just a way of denying that she is an unappealing candidate for other reasons. I believe people will happily vote for women - heck, 73% of male Spike viewers ages 18-49 said they would vote for a woman for president if the election were held tomorrow and 56% said they would likely vote for HRC.

And, for some news of the day that impacts HRC in the upcoming Nevada caucus. The judge threw out the lawsuit brought by the teachers union to prevent casino workers from caucusing at work sites. The suit was brought after the 60,000 strong culinary workers union endorsed Obama. AP report.