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  • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

    Originally posted by Mike_Lowery
    and their response is martial law?
    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was under the impression unlawful interference with maritime transport is a federal crime.
    Last edited by dick; September 24, 2007, 02:44 AM. Reason: Fixed bad tenses

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    • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

      Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View Post
      I can't imagine it bringing a critical mass of freight that it would put a dent in shipping prices, or make it a significant competitor against Young Brothers, Hawaiian, Aloha, and anyone else that brings passengers and cargo en masse.
      You don't know that for sure. go! only has 5 small planes but they turned the inter island airfare upside down. That's what happens when there is competition. As for significant competitor, who's to say HSF wouldn't grow had it been allowed to compete?

      Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View Post
      And I think that most of Hawaii's who is laughing at Kauai's protesters don't get our point--we're not completely opposed to the Super Ferry. We're just asking Linda to obey laws and get an EIS done.
      And I ask why is it Kauai's protesters don't get it that the laws are being obeyed? They had the right to legally exempt HSF under 343. So protesters disagreed and those on Maui went to the Hawaii Supreme Court. The Supreme Court then overturned the lower court rulings and required an EA to be conducted which could lead to an EIS. However, they did not rule that HSF cannot operate while the EA is being done. They deferred this issue back to the lower courts. The Maui Circuit Court decided HSF cannot run while the EA is conducted hence the TRO and hence no service to Maui. Kauai's court decided it is ok, thus no TRO, so HSF sailing into Nawiliwili is legal. Why do protesters keep ignoring this chain of events?


      Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View Post
      No. If so, protesters would be blocking those $1-$9 flights from leaving/coming.
      So why is it the main thrust of the argument against HSF is directed against Oahuians and the incessant fear of taking Opihi, fish, and bringing in drugs? Check out other boards and their discussions. This theme recurs over and over and over.

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      • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

        Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View Post
        LOL @ all the comments saying that Kauai cannot survive w/o the Super Ferry. I've lived here for 26 of my 27 years (21 of 27 if you count college), and we've never come close to running out of any "essential" supplies.
        It is funny how people forget history ? What happened when Iniki hit in 1992 ?

        Next time if a hurricane hits Kauai hopefully no one will be sending emergency supplies there. You guys can survive on your own, eh ?
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        • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

          Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post

          That, "I'm from Honolulu" remark was worse than scratching a chalkboard to my ears. And it wasn't even the words but the condescending tone of it all, as if they were saying, "I'm from Honolulu and you're not", like that's supposed to make me feel appreciative of them? Oh my, a God is in my presence I had better bow down and kiss his knuckles.

          When I lived in Honolulu I'd feel the same way when someone from New York City would tell me things that made Oahu so backwoods, "well on the Mainland we do it this way..." Yeah right well this is Hawaii where we don't okay buddy?

          These condescending remarks was enough to really frustrate anyone who had to be on the receiving end.
          And this is what we are all frustrated with when someone from Seattle CONSTANTLY tells us "this is what we SHOULD do", "this is how it is done up here" "you SHOULD" "They MAY", etc., etc.
          I'm still here. Are you?

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          • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

            From the blog of Joan Conrow, who racked up several bylines in the Honolulu Advertiser in its Superferry coverage:
            The Honolulu Advertiser pulled me off the Superferry story today because of this blog. Guess it was being circulated at the state Capitol, which absolutely astounded me, and Derrick DePledge, the Advertiser’s government reporter, ratted me out to the editors. They sent him to Kauai to cover tonight’s meeting with the guv, instead.

            Earlier in the day, someone had called to advise the Advertiser editors that their new stringer (yours truly) was a freelancer for the Sierra Club — an apparent reference to an article I wrote a number of years back for Sierra magazine about pharmaceuticals and personal care products showing up in ground water around the world.

            It's OK to have opinions when you write for the mainstream press, you just have to make like you don't, and I've never been too good at pretending.

            I don’t mind losing the Advertiser gig, but feel sad their coverage will now lack the perspective of someone who actually lives on Kauai. As people over here keep saying, “We don’t feel like we’re being heard.” And the truth of it is, we aren't.
            Via Ian Lind, whose site is having issues.

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            • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

              I've run into the anti-Honolulu xenophobia a bunch of times. I have to say it's usually not from very intelligent specimens, definitely a minority. Still... all the rhetoric that's coming from the neighbor islands out of this HSF debacle has me seriously considering how I will think about them when they come to Oahu. Heck, they come to Oahu and rent cars and fill up our already over-full streets! Damn that sounds silly. I don't really care if folks from the rest of the state come here for fun or money, they're welcome as long as they don't come with a chip on their shoulder.

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                Originally posted by Deep Thought View Post
                I've run into the anti-Honolulu xenophobia a bunch of times. I have to say it's usually not from very intelligent specimens, definitely a minority. Still... all the rhetoric that's coming from the neighbor islands out of this HSF debacle has me seriously considering how I will think about them when they come to Oahu. Heck, they come to Oahu and rent cars and fill up our already over-full streets! Damn that sounds silly. I don't really care if folks from the rest of the state come here for fun or money, they're welcome as long as they don't come with a chip on their shoulder.
                It's not too difficult to understand why local folks on Islands That Are Not Oahu (what is the PC term---neighbor islands, outer islands---enlighten me here) might feel, as Craig said, "fear and paranoia" regarding Oahu.

                What irks the bejeebers out of me is hearing the anti-Oahu rhetoric from mainland transplants. And I've heard it from people who have lived on Kauai for barely a year. Pffffft.

                I'd like to tell them to hike their retired selves on over to Stanford the next time they're in the market for a quadruple bypass.

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                • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                  About a decade ago, a friend of mine, a Big Island native, moved back with her two kids and applied for a job in Hilo. One of the questions she was asked: DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATIVES HERE? WHO?

                  It seemed so "clannish" as the interviewer was aware she had come from Oahu. She said it made her feel like an "invader." She got the job, but wondered how much the fact that she had graduated from a rural Big Island high school had to do with it.

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                  • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                    Originally posted by Konaguy View Post
                    It is funny how people forget history ? What happened when Iniki hit in 1992 ?

                    Next time if a hurricane hits Kauai hopefully no one will be sending emergency supplies there. You guys can survive on your own, eh ?
                    This big brother-little brother bs is hilarious. All I remember is fending for ourselves and fighting new-found prostitution and crystal meth epidemic that came along with the military and contractors that followed the hurricane.
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                    • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                      Originally posted by mel View Post
                      And this is what we are all frustrated with when someone from Seattle CONSTANTLY tells us "this is what we SHOULD do", "this is how it is done up here" "you SHOULD" "They MAY", etc., etc.
                      You're wrong, Mel. I'm not telling you what you should do. I'm just presenting how someplace else has done it (for good or bad). It's up to YOU guys to change things if you want change. I can't do diddly about it. In my line of work as an analyst, it's important to gather as many alternatives as possible before selecting a solution. It's also important to evaluate potential risks in advance and try to figure out how to mitigate those risks.

                      One of the reasons why some of the Mainland folks who have moved to the 'aina are saying the kinds of things they're saying (and that some folks in the 'aina are interpreting as them wanting things their way) is because of one of the main reasons why they moved to Hawai'i was to get away precisely from the kinds of things some people in Hawai'i want. Unfortunately, maybe the way they say it is too pushy and aggressive for the laid back style of Hawai'i, but most malihini really do want to help preserve Hawai'i. They could have stayed in LA or Seattle if they wanted big city life (hence the locals' chanting "if you don't like it, go back to wherever you came from" is so grating). That's why they side with the people on the Neighbor Islands in trying to slow down rampant growth. Notice I said slow down, not stop completely. When you start having water restrictions most of the year (as is the case on Moloka'i and now Central Maui), or you find that you can't get adequate healthcare, you start thinking maybe it's time to stop encouraging growth so the people who already live in an area have enough for themselves.

                      They (and I) have seen what unchecked development can do to areas on CONUS that used to be pristine. Do we want that to happen to Hawai'i? No. But it's not up to us. If the electorate in Hawai'i is really concerned about what happens in Hawai'i, then they need to step up to the plate and vote. They can't let things happen around them and then, after the fact, decide it's not something they like (at least since your current State Constitution does not allow for referenda). That's why the frustration on Kaua'i is so telling.

                      The group that is protesting could have done exactly the same thing that Maui did, and they did try to go to the courts to register their concerns. But as the Circuit Court judge on Kaua'i ruled, they filed their motions outside the 120 day comment period allowed by the State laws. So that was their error. They have a right to protest, but they don't have a right to break the law. Those who break the law should be punished. But some of the punishments handed down to the people of Kaua'i last week seem a little overboard, too, and that created even more hostility and the possibillity of serious injuries if the Alakai had decided to sail on the 26th.

                      So whether the HSF management decided on their own, or the Gov., after the community meeting last week requested it, it was a very prudent idea to postpone that next trip to Kaua'i.

                      You don't have to listen to me, but do listen to kama'ainas like Craig who live the dichotomy every day. What he and some other residents have to say about seeing both sides of the story are what might someday be able to heal the horrible rift that is happening today.

                      Miulang
                      "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                      • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                        Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post
                        If you want the fast pace "get it now" feeling then Oahu is the place to go. If you want something else, that's what the neighbor islands are for.
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                        • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                          Seems like the only thing that unites the residents of different islands now is a dislike of mainlanders. Lacking that, you could just keep on bickering at each other, no?

                          (of course, I'm generalizing...)

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                          • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                            Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
                            Seems like the only thing that unites the residents of different islands now is a dislike of mainlanders. Lacking that, you could just keep on bickering at each other, no?

                            (of course, I'm generalizing...)
                            If you want another generalization, Leo, doesn't this remind you of the bickering between King County and the rest of the State of Washington?

                            Miulang
                            "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                            • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                              Originally posted by Miulang View Post
                              If you want another generalization, Leo, doesn't this remind you of the bickering between King County and the rest of the State of Washington?
                              ...or even Seattle vs. The Eastside. We're all provincialists to a degree. My neighborhood's better than yours, too.

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                              • Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

                                Originally posted by Miulang View Post
                                You're wrong, Mel. I'm not telling you what you should do.
                                FALSE. Your same post included directions about who he should listen to. Among other things.

                                Unfortunately, maybe the way they say it is too pushy and aggressive for the laid back style of Hawai'i, but most malihini really do want to help preserve Hawai'i.
                                How on earth could a non-resident know what malihini here want or don't want?!??

                                When you start having water restrictions most of the year (as is the case on Moloka'i and now Central Maui)
                                Better spend more time doing internet research. O`ahu's year-to-date rainfall is barely 20% of normal. We're having an exteme drought, and there are frequent instructions from the county about water conservation.
                                Apparently that didn't make it on the news in Seattle, though. Too bad. Might've made your posts more accurate.

                                Do we want that to happen to Hawai'i? No. But it's not up to us.
                                Darned right it's not.
                                .
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                                That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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