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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:12 PM
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I have to confess, I have picked up a word and a phrase or two from the AF & her family, which slips into my speech without trying --- I'll catch myself saying " 'kay den, all pau," for example. Pidgin is infectious, once it starts making sense to you - but I'm still not going to try to speak it intentionally. That way lies danger.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:17 PM
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correction...it's: No Ack

or when you make dakine drama's in public you say: Eh Toshiro no ack (as in Toshiro Mifune in Zatoichi the blind swordsman)
Correction...it's: Shintaro Katsu as Zatoichi the blind swordsman. Asswhy hahd. Bumbye pau.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:19 PM
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or when you make dakine drama's in public you say: Eh Toshiro no ack (as in Toshiro Mifune in Zatoichi the blind swordsman)
Toshiro Mifune never acted as Zatoichi. That was Shintaro Katsu.

Looks like Lurkah beat me to it.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:19 PM
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Correction...it's: Shintaro Katsu as Zatoichi the blind swordsman. Asswhy hahd. Bumbye pau.

Oh wow so who den is Toshiro Mifune?
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:21 PM
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Asswhy hahd. Bumbye pau.
*POOF!* He magically appears - he posts - he vanishes again *POOF!* The Amazing Lurkah, ladies and gents! Sorry if you missed him --- he's back to living up to his name.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:23 PM
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*POOF!* He magically appears - he posts - he vanishes again *POOF!* The Amazing Lurkah, ladies and gents! Sorry if you missed him --- he's back to living up to his name.

I know the feeling...was it just a thought that passed my mind or was it...THE AMAZING LURKAH!!!!!! echo echo echo
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:26 PM
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Oh wow so who den is Toshiro Mifune?
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:34 PM
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Now this is how I remember him
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:39 PM
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Well, in English itself, "bad" can mean good, and "sick" can mean great. I'm all for preserving language and proper usage (and improper usage can drive me up the wall), but considering that pidgin also includes "misused" words like "kakaroach" and "hamajang" and plenty of other words pretty much divorced from their original language and meaning... I'd rather embrace its occasional randomness and ridiculousness. It was never meant to be "proper." Just practical.
What you have described is more like slang. I suppose that is what Hawaiian pidgin has become degraded to. "Bad" and "sick" came from what is called "eubonics" if I am not mistaken. I never say "kakaroach" unless I'm talking about the insect and I never say "hamajang".

I've been thinking about the word "choke" which I admit to using since I was a small child. This seems more proper than the use of the word "grind" for eating. It can be used in proper english as an adverb, "the beach was choked with people". This has become corrupted into "had choke people at the beach" where the word is used as an adjective. Very funny if you look at it closely.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:40 PM
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Now this is how I remember him
He also played Miyamoto Musashi among many other characters.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:41 PM
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That way lies danger.
What's weirder is that just reading the stuff is messing with my sense of normal English. When you start reading things like "send one message" (written earlier by me, even) in a different way than it was intended... mmm... is that bad?
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:43 PM
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is that bad?
yea, man dass baaad. and phat!
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:43 PM
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What you have described is more like slang. I suppose that is what Hawaiian pidgin has become degraded to.
Can you technically "degrade" a vernacular language? It's not like Hawai`i-based pidgin was developed as a formal language, it's more of a vox populi.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:43 PM
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I know the feeling...was it just a thought that passed my mind or was it...THE AMAZING LURKAH!!!!!! echo echo echo
Yep. Bruddah Lurkah is alway around.

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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:47 PM
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What's weirder is that just reading the stuff is messing with my sense of normal English. When you start reading things like "send one message" (written earlier by me, even) in a different way than it was intended... mmm... is that bad?
To me, a non-pidgin speaker, a large part of it is about understanding. While I don't expect to ever speak it fluently, I understand a lot of what I hear/read. Context is key, as with many languages, and since pidgin "borrows" extensively from English and other languages, it's not hard to figure out what's being said...if you are paying attention to the entire conversation, and not just hanging up on certain words.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:52 PM
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I've been thinking about the word "choke" which I admit to using since I was a small child. This seems more proper than the use of the word "grind" for eating. It can be used in proper english as an adverb, "the beach was choked with people". This has become corrupted into "had choke people at the beach" where the word is used as an adjective.
Again, with the "corrupted" thing! When, in fact, you've come up with a pretty good explanation for why "choke" might mean what it does in pidgin, just like many of the other adopted English words that you've previously list as somehow correctly adapted within pidgin. I think you may very well be right.

As to "grind," I'm certain that a similar path can be traced to some English definition that would suit eating... specifically, mastication or chewing.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:53 PM
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aaahhhpau.
Fo' real, yah? Kill fight some peepos sometimes.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:55 PM
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Fo' real, yah? Kill fight some peepos sometimes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

told ya he was LURKING......

Too Funny!

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Old August 8th, 2006, 04:55 PM
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Fo' real, yah?
...and when I hear the AF say this, it comes out even shorter, as: "F'real?"
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Old August 8th, 2006, 05:00 PM
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...and when I hear the AF say this, it comes out even shorter, as: "F'real?"
...and my answer to dat is always, "NOT!" or "Yeah, No!"

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Old August 8th, 2006, 05:11 PM
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yeah, no? Is really another way of saying "gee, how 'bout that"

Now, reading the dissection and quantification of pidgin is the fastest way to rash my ass. Confonnit-Nuff-Aready!
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Old August 8th, 2006, 05:16 PM
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Same ting . Oh made me think of another one: "same same" = same thing or 'do these match?'

LOL I often say the emmy comment when I'm watching UH basketball at the Stanley when an opposing player acts like he got fouled and takes a huge flop.
A lot of guys also say the player taking the flop is "looking for the Oscar." Like when the 230 lb. power forward is bowled over by a 170 lb. point guard.

Craig, "Zatoichi" was played by Shintaro Katsu, not Mifune. Katsu's brother, Tomisaburo Wakayama, was "Ogami Itto" in the Lone Wolf With Cub series of bloody samurai movies back in the 1970's. I bought the Lone Wolf set of DVDs off eBay a couple of years ago.

The "Zatoichi" movies were shown on IFC (digital cable 675) a few months ago on Saturday mornings (one around 2:00 am, repeat around 8:00 am), Other samurai flicks have been on recently (Rashomon, Yojimbo, etc.) and I suspect there will be another cycle later this year.
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Old August 8th, 2006, 05:17 PM
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Nuff-Aready!
Don't you mean: 'nuff said?
(With a wink and a nod to MadAzza & 1stwahine.)
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Old August 8th, 2006, 05:20 PM
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Now, reading the dissection and quantification of pidgin is the fastest way to rash my ass. Confonnit-Nuff-Aready!
Fo' real. It's almost enough to cause a paradigm shift reversal.

How hybolic is that?
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Old August 8th, 2006, 05:48 PM
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Can you technically "degrade" a vernacular language? It's not like Hawai`i-based pidgin was developed as a formal language, it's more of a vox populi.
True, Hawaii based pidgin was created so that different immigrant groups could speak to each other. That is not the case today. It's become more of a slang that we no longer really need to communicate.

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