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Old October 13th, 2004, 05:02 AM
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Wal-Mart store #3478, built at great cost and with much controversy, opens its doors on Oct. 13. Shoppers and critics will finally have the opportunity to see firsthand what the monster retailer will offer, and what effect it will have on the neighborhood surrounding the "Keeaumoku Superblock."

This thread, started to coincide with the store's opening, is a continuation of an older Wal-Mart thread. Have you ventured inside? How well is traffic being managed? Any clear effects on neighboring businesses?

Please discuss this particular location here. If you'd like to engage in debate over Wal-Mart's corporate policies and practices overall, take it to the Wal-Mart War Room.
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Here's the official news story on the store's opening in the Pacific Business News:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s...1/daily25.html

The sad thing is that the iwi are still not reburied because the 2 kanaka maoli groups can't agree on what needs to be done with them! They're still in cardboard boxes awaiting an uncertain fate...

Here: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../bz/bz02p.html

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Interesting story about the ILO brand of electronics that WM at Keeaumoku will be selling. How much business will the other electronics retailers in the area lose to WM?

Here: http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/stor...D&;siteid=mktw

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WalMart Has Finally Opened.

Hundreds lined up to be the first. I was not one of them.

The naysayers are free to stay home and continue with their rants on this board.

Everyone else who likes WalMart will shop.
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WalMart Has Finally Opened.

Hundreds lined up to be the first. I was not one of them.

The naysayers are free to stay home and continue with their rants on this board.

Everyone else who likes WalMart will shop.
Hey Mel, I figured you'd at least be the second or third in line for that opening buzzer at 9 a.m. this morning! So, is everything cool and copacetic in there? Did you happen to see a cardboard box full of bones on any of the shelves? Didya notice the last few things I put in this thread were not rantings?

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WalMart Has Finally Opened.

Hundreds lined up to be the first. I was not one of them.

The naysayers are free to stay home and continue with their rants on this board.

Everyone else who likes WalMart will shop.
Isn't this post a bit O/T ? Didn't you read the first post above ?

"Please discuss this particular location here. If you'd like to engage in debate over Wal-Mart's corporate policies and practices overall, take it to the Wal-Mart War Room."
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Old October 13th, 2004, 05:17 PM
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Thanks for the breaking news Advertiser article on the opening, Mel (the traffic flow map is pretty helpful), but there's no need to bait the "naysayers." (Try here instead.) When you do make it down there, please share your impressions of the location.
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The traffic flow map the Advertiser created is pretty helpful.
Yes I concur, it was very helpful and interesting. Anyway not being totally
familiar where this location of the WM/SC is, is it behind Ala Moana ?
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I'm glad they have an L&L Drive Inn in the store and not something whitebread generic like McD or PizzaHut!

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Depends on what you mean by "behind." It's a block mauka of Ala Moana, kitty corner from Tower Records.

Though I'll have to go down myself to get a better feel for it, the "main entrance" for the whole complex is actually on Sheridan Street... what some might consider the "back" of the superblock. I imagine traffic will instinctively head toward the Keeaumoku/Kanunu intersection (currently where the bulk of traffic flows), and special traffic measures for the grand opening are apparently adjusting for that... but in the long run, learning to go 'round to Sheridan to get in is probably your best bet.
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The reason why I was asking is I remember this big empty parcel west of
the building with the revolving restraunt on top. I was curious if that
was the "superblock" parcel ?
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Old October 13th, 2004, 05:43 PM
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I think the map is your best guide.

West of the Ala Moana Building (formerly home of La Ronde Restaurant, built in 1961) are low-rise businesses and a Ford dealership... I can't remember an empty lot on that side, unless you go as far as Piikoi.

The empty lot that Wal-Mart acquired is one block mauka (or north) of Kapiolani. Imagine driving down the main Keeaumoku Street parking ramp on the mauka side of the shopping center. You cross Kapiolani, passing KFC and Tower Records on your right and an insurance building on your left. That very next street is Makaloa. Wal-Mart is on the left, spanning several shorter blocks on the right (home to small retailers, Ross Dress For Less, and Likelike Drive Inn).
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Here is a map of the location of the new Wal-Mart http://tinyurl.com/68nbz
Now I know where this place is located
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So, who went?

I did, during the morning (around 10am) and there was a lot of people, especially tourists (mostly haole and jap).

The Honolulu Store is much like the Royal Kunia/Waipahu store in terms of layout.

There were protesters, holding signs saying that this is a gravesite (or something similar) and a News station (I think KGMB because their station is like, right there) and I thought that they'll cause something, but the didn't. There were some walmart associates with nextels PTTing people notifying them about the protest people.

The store was crowded, and there was a lot of associates helping people out everywhere.

I'll be at the opening of Sam's Club (atleast in the afternoon time, because I have school) and there's some shops along the side of the store, namely Jamba Juice and Starbucks (good for the college).
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compared to the industrial/porno zone it was before, the new WM is definately more appealing to the eyes. Now the HMSA employees have something to do on their lunch breaks now that WM is within walking distance. I think this is the deathnail to Daie and possibly Long's Drugs in Ala Moana center. That LD is so bad.

I guess not all Hawaiians feel the sacredness of WalMart if you read this morning's SB:

The second customer in line was Jadeen Malama, a neighbor living on Makaloa Street next to the store who said she got up early and arrived at 5:15 a.m. because she thought there would be prizes for the first 200 people in the door.

Wal-Mart offered no prizes, special sale items or gimmicks. No matter. Malama was happy to shop for Christmas presents, an air conditioner, laundry items, clothing and food.

"I feel good because it's close to where I stay rather than going to (Wal-Mart stores in) Waipahu or Mililani
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and from another Hawaiian:

Philip Kuala, a Kapahulu resident who caught the bus to Wal-Mart, was the store's second customer. He spent $4 on four Halloween candy baskets. "I wanted to go to the first grand opening," he said. "I'm so happy they made Wal-Mart so convenient for everybody in town."

But there was the balance:

Not all the preparations to open the store were pulled off smoothly. An ice machine that bags its own ice had technical difficulties. Construction wasn't finished on the in-store L&L Drive-Inn, which planned to serve up pupu-style samples just for today, then open in the next few weeks.

Outside, about 25 protesters peacefully displayed signs expressing their frustration over how Wal-Mart handled the discovery of human bones during store construction.

"Bury Iwi" read one sign. "Built on Graves" said another.

The Native Hawaiian Legal Corp. recently complained that the iwi, or bones, should have been reburied before the store opening.

Families recognized as descendants submitted two competing reburial plans and met last weekend to resolve their differences, according to Dan Davidson, deputy director of the state Department of Land and Natural Resources, the agency that oversees the state native burials law. However, he said, they were unable to come to terms.


Imagine that the ice machine was broken! Okay sorry!!! let's get those bone reburied respectfully!

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This was the Associated Press report on the WM opening at Keeaumoku as published in the San Jose Mercury. The highlighting is my emphasis. Now I know where the bones are. But why did the spokeswoman for WM say the State had to approve the burial? I thought it was between the state and the Hawaiian groups?

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Customer Surge at Hawaii Wal-Mart Opening

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HONOLULU - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. opened a store in Hawaii on Wednesday with hundreds of eager shoppers rushing past a handful of protesters who accuse the giant retailer of desecrating ancient gravesites.

Customers lined up hours ahead and then poured into the discount store after a traditional Hawaiian blessing and the untying of a lei at the main doors.

Native Hawaiian groups had tried to stop the opening until 44 remains of Hawaiians unearthed during construction could be reburied at the Wal-Mart site.

"Wal-Mart's pitch is that it's slashing prices for you. In this instance, it's slashing graves," said Moses Haia, a Native Hawaiian Legal Corp. lawyer who has filed a suit against the store.

Wal-Mart spokeswoman Cynthia Lin said the retailer is treating the Hawaiian remains with respect, placing them "in an air-conditioned, darkened trailer in a secure location on the site." State approval is needed to rebury them on the site, she said.

Wal-Mart's seventh - and largest - store on the islands employs 800 people, bringing the total to 4,400 in Hawaii. The site also has a Sam's Club members-only outlet scheduled to open next week.
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I'm glad they have an L&L Drive Inn in the store and not something whitebread generic like McD or PizzaHut!
Well there is a McDonalds just down the road from this Wal-Mart.
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I went to the new Wal-Mart after work today. Look around for about 20 minutes or so and then got dinner from Golden Coin.

Inside had lot of people but I managed to move around with little problem. Didn't buy anything this time around.
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I can't imagine anything very much different from the WalMarts anywhere, so I wouldn't be impressed by the hoopla at all.

The differences in news reporting from one daily rag to another is the reason why you cannot rely on one newspaper for your information gathering. In my Political Science class at the UH our professor said, "The government that controls the media, controls the people". In our case, our news media biases the facts that we must base our opinions on so it's best to get your information from more than one source.

To some Hawaiians it seems this particular WalMart is a good thing. To others, well we know about that. As for the blessing, I don't think that'll work because I've been to workplace blessings in Kakaako and the hauntings continued. That was at the Gas Company's Kakaako location. I got some ghost stories and have witnessed some of them first hand.

We've had several blessings over the 22 years I worked there and none have worked. We even had one worker die after chopping down a kukui nut tree on the corner without asking permission from the tree! Two kahuna's tried to rid him of the spirits that had made him sick enough to be admitted to Queen's Hospital, both of them ran out of his room in a panic, real spooky stuff. He eventually died with no apparent cause of death.

The stories go on and I've been there to witness them too.

I wonder what stories will come up with this new WalMart store.
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Contrary to what some people think, I was not at the morning opening of WalMart today. I had to work just like most people.

Fact is I went to the new store at 8:30 tonight for the first time. Spent about 35 minutes looking around, bought 1 item that cost under $20, waited in the checkout line for several minutes (all the checkout lines were extremely busy) and walked out of there around 9:15.

Observations:

1. The store was packed, even at 8:30 pm. Thousands of people there it seemed. But it was not crowded so that you could not comfortably walk around and browse.

2. I did notice ILO brand big screen TVs for sale. Someone made a post about this store brand earlier. Store brand electronics remind me of those second tier gear that had brand names such as Emerson, Lloyds and Superscope (names from the 70s I believe). Still, they represent an alternative for consumers who want stuff at a lower price point.

3. The store looks like any other new WalMart that you see in your neighborhood. Lots of checkout stands, the usual and expected departments such as clothes, food, housewares, electronics, cameras, etc.

4. If you are a smoker there is only one checkout line where you can purchase cigarettes. That is checkout #11 which I mistakenly got stuck in to buy my item. Trouble is the clerk has to grab the cigarettes for the customers at the same time she is checking out your items. The place seemingly is one of 2 "6 items or less" check out line. Perhaps an adjustment needs to be made here. (BTW, I don't smoke... wastes money).

5. Senior citizens and nearby condo residents won't like the shopping carts at WalMart. They work fine in the store but if you push them out of a designated zone, the cart wheels will lock. Residents in the area are used to taking the shopping carts from Daiei home.

6. There seems to be a lot of parking, but I did not go to the parking lot. I live so close by, I can walk there which is what I did.

7. Traffic along Keeaumoku Street was not as bad as I thought it would be.

8. The new traffic light at Keeaumoku and Kanunu is a godsend since it has designated left turn arrows to go into WalMart or Kanunu St. from Keeaumoku.

9. There were no protestors when I arrived. I guess they were overwhelmed by the constant flow of people who ignored them and simply went to shop. More than likely they just went home.

10. I think if any of the major stores in the area that will suffer, it will more than likely be K-Mart (yes they are not in the area, but are somewhat similar to WalMart. The one in Iwilei is just totally icky, but that is a subject for another thread) and Daiei. That store while it may hold its own could be a victim of its own financial problems with the chain itself overall. Longs Ala Moana, I think will survive. I like Longs.

And that's my first day observations of WalMart. I am sure I'll shop there again, mainly for clothes, cheap DVDs and CDs and possibly digital photo printing. Groceries I more than likely will stick with Daiei since it is closer to where I am.
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I've heard that traffic wasn't that bad, especially given the grand opening. I remember what a disaster K-Mart's arrival in Iwilei was, causing gridlock for blocks. This apparently wasn't the case on Keeaumoku. (KITV noted that jaywalking pedestrians were the most notable traffic problem.) And from what I saw on TV, it wasn't noticably more crowded inside than the Mililani Wal-Mart is on a busy day.

I agree that Longs, and Longs Ala Moana, will do fine. Longs overall, because of the local affection folks have for the store (despite some iffy pricing). Their Ala Moana location specifically because... well, they do great business on tourist traffic alone. Even if that spot lost the locals to Wal-Mart, they sell enough macadamia nuts and toiletries to keep the cash registers ringing. And never underestimate the laziness of the American shopper. Sure, you could save almost 50 percent buying the same toothpaste at Wal-Mart, but if you're at Ala Moana, that's such a long walk!

Daiei, I'm hopeful for as well. In addition to the strong Asian inventory, they have a decent grocery, and a nearby residential market to serve.

Sam Sung Electronics across the street, I'm not so sure about.
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I agree that Longs, and Longs Ala Moana, will do fine. Longs overall, because of the local affection folks have for the store (despite some iffy pricing). Their Ala Moana location specifically because... well, they do great business on tourist traffic alone. Even if that spot lost the locals to Wal-Mart, they sell enough macadamia nuts and toiletries to keep the cash registers ringing. And never underestimate the laziness of the American shopper. Sure, you could save almost 50 percent buying the same toothpaste at Wal-Mart, but if you're at Ala Moana, that's such a long walk!
You know, the Longs in Hilo does fine... they have 2 locations despite the WalMart being close by to one of the locations. So yes, I think Longs Ala Moana will hold their own. If I am at Ala Moana I would shop Longs for the small items I need and not take another trip to WalMart.

However tourists will walk from Ala Moana to nearby businesses. I see a lot of them going to Tower Records. Last night there were some tourists at WalMart. I was in the shoe department there and two guys were obviously tourists.

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Daiei, I'm hopeful for as well. In addition to the strong Asian inventory, they have a decent grocery, and a nearby residential market to serve.

Sam Sung Electronics across the street, I'm not so sure about.
I'm at Daiei almost every other day it seems, mainly to buy grocery items. I've also bought a TV and DVD player from them over the last 2 years. The fact that Daiei puts up with all of their shopping carts being "stolen" to condos off the store premises remain a plus for many of their senior citizen customers who live in close by condos. Daiei has someone in a truck patrolling the neighborhood to retreive their carts. I know it is expensive for them, but Daiei will never prosecute their senior citizen customers because if they did, they'd lose business in a major way.

As for Daiei's survivability, I am sure WalMart will take away some of their customers but more so if anything, their financial problems overall could be their undoing in all markets.

As for Sam Sung, it has been several years that I last went there. However the last time I was there, the store had shrunk considerably to a point where I think they only sell high end electronics. They had to make adjustments as the big boxes such as Comp USA and Circuit City had already eroded their market. Plus they rent out most of their building to other businesses now.
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I agree that Longs, and Longs Ala Moana, will do fine. Longs overall, because of the local affection folks have for the store (despite some iffy pricing). Their Ala Moana location specifically because... well, they do great business on tourist traffic alone. Even if that spot lost the locals to Wal-Mart, they sell enough macadamia nuts and toiletries to keep the cash registers ringing.
I have heard that the Ala Moana Longs leads the entire Longs Drugs chain in sales. It must be all those Japanese tourists buying cosmetics.
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This morning's Advertiser says the iwi kupuna uncovered at the WM Keeaumoku site probably can't be buried until the spring. Jeez. I hope the spirits of those ancestors are benevolent and leave shoppers alone. Like Craig said in a previous post, all kinds of "strange" things can happen if the ancestors are displeased.

Here: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../ln/ln30p.html

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Daie actually has a lease program with their shopping carts for senior citizens in the area.

Now if WM had a Senior's day where you get special discounts for being a senior citizen that would be good for them as it is for Daie.

What I meant about Longs Ala Moana is the fact that they've lost the local crowd there. The aisles are tight and selection is mostly for the tourists. Over in Hilo LD does good because the customers are loyal there.

Sam Sung's gonna suck wind period hmmm maybe they should drop the Sung and just call themselves: Sam's Electronics and take advantage of their neighbor.
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