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I support marriage equality. 15 78.95%
I support marriage between one man and one woman. 4 21.05%
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Old November 12th, 2013, 08:29 AM
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As we've heard in testimony, one of the issues with the current bill is that it is felt my many that the bill goes against the voter's intent in the public's passing the Hawaii State Constitution marriage section 23.
And some feel that the voters' intent is irrelevant, since a majority does not have the right to deprive a minority of their rights. No more than, to draw a parallel, a majority of non-gun owners has the right to take away the guns of a minority of law-abiding gun owners.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 09:27 AM
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Thus, there IS a law in place defining marriage a between a man and a woman. .
Didn't SCOTUS rule recently (5-4) that such laws are, in effect, unconstitutional? Maybe I wasn't paying attention.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 09:40 AM
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And some feel that the voters' intent is irrelevant, since a majority does not have the right to deprive a minority of their rights. No more than, to draw a parallel, a majority of non-gun owners has the right to take away the guns of a minority of law-abiding gun owners.
Bad analogy! The majority does have the right to regulate or deprive the minority of their rights if the minority rights negatively impacts the public health, safety, and welfare of the common good, such as smoking, wearing helmets while riding a bicycle or motorcycle, requiring health insurance, and gun ownership. It has yet to be demonstrated how marriage to the same sex impacts the common good in any significant way. If it did, then that would provide an interesting argument.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 10:43 PM
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The Senate has voted, and the Governor has signed the new law. But the legality issues are not over yet.

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Now, the struggle over marriage equality shifts to Hawaii's courts. State Rep. Bob McDermott, a Republican who opposes gay marriage, will seek a temporary restraining order to block the state from issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, citing the 1998 constitutional amendment.

McDermott (R, Ewa Beach-Iroquois Point) and other same-sex marriage opponents contend that the constitutional amendment outweighs any bill passed by the Legislature. Another public vote, they argue, would be necessary to redefine marriage.

Judge Karl Sakamoto has scheduled a hearing for Thursday in Circuit Court.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 02:38 AM
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http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...m-gay-marriage

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Old November 14th, 2013, 06:11 PM
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But the legality issues are not over yet.
Perhaps it is over now!
From the StarAdvertiser:
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After hearing arguments for about an hour, Sakamoto [Circuit Court Judge Karl Sakamoto] said that while state Rep. Bob McDermott and others had standing to file their request to block the new marriage equality law, the state Legislature has the inherent authority to define marriage independent of a 1998 constitutional amendment that gave the Legislature the power to reserve marriage to heterosexual couples.
"After all the legal complexities of the court's analysis, the court will conclude that same-sex marriage in Hawaii is legal," Sakamoto said.
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Molay [Deputy Attorney General John Molay] also argues that the 1998 constitutional amendment was "clear and unambiguous," giving the Legislature -- and not the Supreme Court -- the power to define marriage. The constitutional amendment did not, Molay contends, preclude the Legislature from later approving same-sex marriage.
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The state also defended ballot information sent to voters by the state Office of Elections at the time that stated that the constitutional amendment would give the Legislature the power to reserve marriage to heterosexual couples only. The word "only," Molay maintained, did not mean that the Legislature only had the power to reserve marriage to heterosexual couples, but could choose to regardless of the ruling by the Supreme Court.
So, maybe if the legislators (in this case, McDermott) want to fall back on the wording of legislation to give them solid footing for appeals, etc, they need to be more careful in the first place that they put in the correct wording that supports their intent.

Sort of along the lines of when they write legislation that does not include a fully developed enforcement component. Why not do things thoroughly in the first place?
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Old November 14th, 2013, 08:26 PM
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I live in Texas, surrounded by Republicans, and the vast majority of my peer group (early 30's) is supportive. In every discussion I've had with people, it's pretty much a case of, "Yeah, cool. Why not?"

AND I'm excited that two of my female friends from Oahu are getting married in March! Hopefully, I'll get to be there for it.
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Old November 15th, 2013, 04:15 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/hawaii-judge-r...015855552.html

The judge didn't cockblock this.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 02:58 AM
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Chapter 2:
An appeal with a hearing set for Jan. 13

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With Hawaii poised to start issuing same-sex marriage licenses Monday, state Rep. Bob McDermott has filed a new motion in state Circuit Court looking to invalidate the state's new law legalizing such marriages.


The motion asks Judge Karl Sakamoto to reconsider the significance of Hawaii's 1998 constitutional amendment; McDermott argues that measure prevents the Legislature from expanding marriage to same-sex couples.
"This is a serious issue, and we have case law and precedent on our side," McDermott said in a statement today announcing the motion. "We shall fully litigate this through the appeals process."

At issue (legal issue, not moral issue) in the appeal is whether the "1998 constitutional amendment was for the Legislature to reserve marriage to heterosexual couples", and if that amendment "restrict[s] the Legislature's separate authority".
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