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Old April 28th, 2011, 09:05 PM
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IIRC, all Hawaii residents that import goods/services into this state are already subject to a use tax equivalent to the general excise tax. This law will allow the state to get the out of state companies to either: 1) collect the taxes for the state (as in state companies are required); or give certain sales information to the state, so the state can collect the taxes themselves.

So the taxes are in essence already owed, and should be self reported by residents. The State just does not have an easy way now to monitor compliance.

More info on this here and here.

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Old April 29th, 2011, 01:02 PM
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i dont like the idea of paying taxes on internet sales. i buy alot of things online and i have had a business doing online sales (selling aloha shirts online) and a pc repair shop, so i know a little about taxes.
did you all know as a business owner you pay GET on the GET you collect? no one else does this in the other states.

id be fine paying taxes if you could say the money always went to useful things. im a little ignorant on how the money is spent (and on politics in general, so sue me if im wrong), but when politicians give themselves a raise every year i get a little pissy.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 01:29 PM
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did you all know as a business owner you pay GET on the GET you collect? no one else does this in the other states.[...]
Yes...hence, 4.712% vs 4.5% to the "purchaser"! IIRC, Hawaii is also the only state that imposes a GET in lieu of a sales tax. Even tho' our tax rate is lower than other states, we tax...everything! Except prescription drugs, I think. And our GET is assessed at every level of production albeit at different rates.

In my industry it was very confusing for mainland companies on location in Hawaii to understand paying taxes on the rates for services by independent contractors. Since they didn't understand the difference between GE and sales taxes I used to have an explanation of the Hawaii GET that I included with my estimates. A couple of those companies that filmed in Hawaii more than once refused to pay it to us. I kept a list of those companies and raised my rate by 5% to compensate!!!
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Old April 29th, 2011, 03:57 PM
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A GET on almost everything, as in Hawaii, is a very regressive tax, hurting lower income people more than the wealthy. In California we have around 8-9% sales tax, but fortunately it is mostly for retail sales only. And in Baja California we have an 11% GET which the wealthy Mexicans rarely pay by way of payoffs to croanies at a much lower rate.

Yes, it would be wonderful if matapules had the final say on how tax revenues would be spent.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 04:05 PM
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You know, I've never really had any beef with paying taxes, but I've always felt that our annual tax returns should come with a survey form included on which we can indicate how we would like -our- tax dollars spent.

Wanna support schools? Fill in the bubble for education.
Military? Select National Defense.
Got lots of pot-holes that need filling? Send your tax dollars toward infrastructure.

Etc.

There is enough technology out there that this could be done easily enough; but those who spend our money would never give up the freedom to spend it in a manner they've decided is our best in our interest.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 04:40 PM
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There is enough technology out there that this could be done easily enough; but those who spend our money would never give up the freedom to spend it in a manner they've decided is our best in our interest.
In a manner of speaking, we already have a way to do that - it's called an "election," and the concept is that you would vote for "representatives" who best reflect our interests. How's that experiment (called "democracy") working out so far?
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:03 PM
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You've missed the point.
there's no reason -we-, individually, can't reflect our own interests when it comes to taxes.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:29 PM
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there's no reason -we-, individually, can't reflect our own interests when it comes to taxes.
Please look up the term "representative democracy" for your answer.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:30 PM
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there's no reason -we-, individually, can't reflect our own interests when it comes to taxes.
Oh it is technically possible to do that, be we don't have that system right now. And how can we expect the electorate to make any better decisions on how we spend taxes than they do choosing who represent them - i.e. Michelle Bachman, govenor of Maine, Para Sailin', Jeff Sessions (who couldn't pass muster as a potential Federal judge), and Marion Berry (the convicted felon while in office and gets re-elected when he gets out!).

Let me make it easy, let matapules make the decisions how to spend tax revenue. My motto: Mo' poi mean mo' joy!
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:38 PM
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Please look up the term "representative democracy" for your answer.

Yes, I understand how a "representative democracy" works. We each get a vote, we elect a person who is -supposed- to act in our best interests; otherwise we wouldn't have voted for them.

However, in the end, the choices that are actually made come down the whims of that elected official; and I've never seen any other people, let alone political candidates, that agree with me 100% on all issues.

The representaive of said democracy could, theoretically, be removed from the equation and eliminate the bottleneck there.

I could continue, but I get the impression that you know exactly what I'm trying to say; you're just flexing your internet muscles.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:42 PM
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Oh it is technically possible to do that, be we don't have that system right now. And how can we expect the electorate to make any better decisions on how we spend taxes than they do choosing who represent them...
As usual, matapule makes my point well. As much as I dislike most who desire political power, I really don't want the power of control over taxation and spending to fall into the hands of most of my under-educated, celebrity-obsessed, easily-manipulated, me-first-and-screw-the-rest-of-ya fellow citizens.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 05:46 PM
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As usual, matapule makes my point well. As much as I dislike most who desire political power, I really don't want the power of control over taxation and spending to fall into the hands of most of my under-educated, celebrity-obsessed, easily-manipulated, me-first-and-screw-the-rest-of-ya fellow citizens.

Well, obviously.
I just want to be able to say where -my- tax dollars go.
Screw the rest of ya.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 06:04 PM
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Well, obviously.
I just want to be able to say where -my- tax dollars go.
Screw the rest of ya.
Okay - at least yer honest!

Seriously, though, it just isn't as simple as that; there are thousands of things supported by your tax dollars that you aren't even aware of. Some are services, activities and programs you use every day without even realizing it, others are ones that you don't give a whit about - but that affect your friends, neighbors and families.

How will you make educated choices about everything that this government pays for? There's so much more than the big and controversial items. Will you decide that eight percent of your taxes goes for a school-lunch program for inner-city poor? Another six percent to inspection of meat-processing plants so you don't get e. coli poisoning? Nineteen percent to the Coast Guard so they can look for "dirty bombs" shipped to Honolulu? Do you trust your neighbor to decide how much should be used for federal debt retirement? Do we stop funding AIDS research, and let the pharmaceutical companies decide only to pursue the drugs that will make them a profit? What about money to help out those who are still homeless six years after Hurricane Katrina - how much of your money do you want spent on them?
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Old April 29th, 2011, 06:20 PM
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Of course not. . . I'd decide all my moneys went to things I gave a crap about.

But really, if you look, you'll see that the categories I suggested (Education, national Defense, infrastructure) are pretty general. Everythign you mentioned could fall into a larger general category to be distributed appropriately by people who know better.

The system would essentially act as a means of budget making so that funding doesn't get so lopsided to where certain programs/areas are basically throwing away money by spending thousands of dollars on individual hammers, while others are essentially neglected and relying on recycled materials from the 70's.

I'm not saying it's a good system; just that it's doable and that, in my idealized brain, other people as good or better at making important decisions than I am.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 06:26 PM
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Everythign you mentioned could fall into a larger general category to be distributed appropriately by people who know better.
You want to decide for yourself ... AND you want the decisions made by "people who know better"? Fail.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 06:31 PM
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I want my decisions to be more specific than simply deciding who makes my decisions, but not so specific that I'm deciding every issue individually.

I want more control, not all the control.

Hyperbole. Fail.
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I'd also like to mention how much i hate how ebay sellers and certain amazon sellers do not ship to hawaii for bogus reasons or overcharge for shipping and handling.

almost 1/2 the time i try to order something from amazon (that isnt free shipping) i get charged same or more for the product. $30 <1 lb thing? $30 shipping pls kthx! the other half of the time they claim it isnt technically feasible or possible to ship the trinket to Hawaii.

sometimes the ebay seller wont even ship to outside the united states. (they mean continental)
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.............and that, in my idealized brain, other people as good or better at making important decisions than I am.
Ah, where da love for de matapules of dis worl?

Leo, you an' matapule need get togeder foa some kava some ti moa quickee!
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I'd also like to mention how much i hate how ebay sellers and certain amazon sellers do not ship to hawaii for bogus reasons or overcharge for shipping and handling.

almost 1/2 the time i try to order something from amazon (that isnt free shipping) i get charged same or more for the product. $30 <1 lb thing? $30 shipping pls kthx! the other half of the time they claim it isnt technically feasible or possible to ship the trinket to Hawaii.

sometimes the ebay seller wont even ship to outside the united states. (they mean continental)
I usually have it shipped to my family on the mainland and then have them slap it in a flat-rate box before sending it here.

Get's it here for like half the price, takes an extra couple of days, but whatever. Bypasses the Hawaii Sales tax issue, too.
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Bypasses the Hawaii Sales tax issue, too.
Wha? Yu like crappy roads an' no public resrooms in 808? Yu no lik where tax money spent so yu say I pay no taxes? Called trowing baby out wit bafwater!
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Wha? Yu like crappy roads an' no public resrooms in 808? Yu no lik where tax money spent so yu say I pay no taxes? Called trowing baby out wit bafwater!
Thus far, that's a non-issue since I don't think this particular bill/mandate/whatever has passed yet (I could well be wrong on that, I haven't really been paying that much attention).

But reducing shipping costs; I'm all for that.
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But reducing shipping costs; I'm all for that.
Now we talk 'bout somting diffrent! Matapule all foa free shipping! Jus' add shipping into cos' of product and den gimme free shipping. Hana ho!
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I'd also like to mention how much i hate how ebay sellers and certain amazon sellers do not ship to hawaii for bogus reasons or overcharge for shipping and handling.
Dis call "hidden profit." No liki, no by.
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The 2 bills that would have imposed a tax on internet and catalog sales died in conference committee this past week.

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Dis call "hidden profit." No liki, no by.
yeah but sometimes they realize that shipping to hawaii costs more by their shipper and try to charge you for the difference (ebay) after you have already paid them.
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