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Old April 13th, 2011, 01:29 PM
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Isaac Choy

That's the fellows name. He authored the bill that would make it easier for the government to collect sales tax on our internet purchases. Let's get the names of all the people behind this movement out there so we can vote them out of office.

Saw the story in the Staradvertiser about this. Personally I like to pay some taxes. I realize that some taxes are necessary. But this is in the category I call,"Let's see if we can make them bleed a little more".
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Old April 13th, 2011, 07:56 PM
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I purchase a number of things on the Internet. I do not mind paying sales taxes on those purchases. Overall, taxes have never been lower. Consequently, many necessary programs are being eliminated, our infrastructure is falling apart, and our grandchildren are being put under a mountain of future debt as a result.

This legislation makes sense to me.
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Old April 13th, 2011, 09:00 PM
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I order a lot of things online. I wouldn't object to being charged a sales tax on them - it doesn't amount to that much extra cost. The thing I refuse to pay is shipping costs. If they don't ship for free - I don't buy from that website.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 01:24 AM
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I'm surprised this didn't happen a decade ago. I, too, am ok with it.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 09:40 AM
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The thing I refuse to pay is shipping costs. If they don't ship for free - I don't buy from that website.
I agree with you there Ana. Many companies use shipping as an additional profit center.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:19 AM
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I am perfectly OK with tax on internet purchases. Yeah, shoulda been done long time ago.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 01:33 PM
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I agree with you there Ana. Many companies use shipping as an additional profit center.
I'm ok with paying for shipping if the combined price of the product & shipping is still less than I'd pay for the product, alone, elsewhere. What ticks me off is when a company or individual refuses to ship to Hawaii. Can someone please enlighten me as to the rationalization behind that? I found a used book I wanted on eBay...no shipping to Alaska or Hawaii. A BOOK! </OT>!!!
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Old April 14th, 2011, 03:30 PM
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What ticks me off is when a company or individual refuses to ship to Hawaii. Can someone please enlighten me as to the rationalization behind that? I found a used book I wanted on eBay...no shipping to Alaska or Hawaii. A BOOK! </OT>!!!
Tutu, many companies have a flat rate for shipping. Shipping to HI or AK costs more and they don't want to go to the administrative hassle of having two shipping structures. I know, it doesn't make sense from a customer service standpoint, but in today's business climate, customer service takes a backseat to profit.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 06:34 PM
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Thanks for the explanation, Matapule. I know it can cost more to ship to Hawaii but it fries me when people refuse to ship to Hawaii even if I'm willing to pay more. I often wonder if those are the same people who consider Hawaii to be a foreign country...with it's own currency...tourists in need of visas and shots!
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:37 PM
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If I order a book or a spark plug from some guy in Wisconsin and he mails it to me...I don't think the state should stand by doing nothing and demand a cut. I think that is simply government greed.

Noticed this was in the SA as one of those polls and it was 85/15 in agreement with me.

BTW. All you people that think it is a good idea? The state already says you should pay this sales tax. Just curious does anyone currently, voluntarily, pay the state tax on your internet purchases like they say you should? Really?

The reason it wasn't done years ago is because the feds protected internet transactions when the web was young to stimulate web commerce.
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BTW. All you people that think it is a good idea? The state already says you should pay this sales tax. Just curious does anyone currently, voluntarily, pay the state tax on your internet purchases like they say you should? Really?[...]
I wasn't aware of this so, no, I don't currently pay that tax voluntarily. Even if I was aware of it, web site check-outs calculate automatically. How would I or anyone else voluntarily pay the tax without contacting the vendor by phone, explaining the situation and asking if they'd do a manual calculation and accept a credit card over the phone? Too much work for all concerned.

I admit I've been just fine with saving 4.712% on my internet purchases! But, I expected this tax to hit long ago so, therefore, I've anticipated it. I didn't state I thought it was a "good idea"; rather, that I was ok with it. I think we're lucky that we got as many years as we did, tax free.
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The states law on tax for internet purchases wont hold up in federal court and they know it... they are trying to slip this thru hoping no one will fight it. the supreme court has said that unless a company has a physical presence in that state they need not collect and pay sales tax to that state. individual state are trying to create a compact that would allow for tax collection but vendors have threatened to exclude those states for their sales, citing the supreme court decision. amazon has left some markets and returned after the states have backed down... this happened here when lingle was gov and it will probably happen again with abercrumbly.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 12:05 AM
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If I order a book or a spark plug from some guy in Wisconsin and he mails it to me...I don't think the state should stand by doing nothing and demand a cut.
How does that book or spark plug reach your mailbox? Does it travel to your home over any roads? Who maintains those roads?

Who runs the school systems that teach you how to read, so that you are inclined to order a book from an online retailer?

Who pays for a system of consumer protection, in case you find a problem with that spark plug?

Who provides protection and security for the transport of those goods from one state to another?

An excellent discussion of these points can be found here.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 01:16 AM
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BTW. All you people that think it is a good idea? The state already says you should pay this sales tax. Just curious does anyone currently, voluntarily, pay the state tax on your internet purchases like they say you should? Really?
I didn't say I thought it was a good idea. I said I wouldn't mind if I had to pay tax on my internet purchases. and no, I don't ever voluntarily pay any tax!
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Old April 15th, 2011, 11:31 AM
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Just curious does anyone currently, voluntarily, pay the state tax on your internet purchases like they say you should? Really?
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In some cases, out of State vendors add California sales tax and some don't. In the case of those who don't add sales tax, I am a slacker and don't voultarily pay it, which over a year amounts to about $20. If they want to make it a law that everyone charges sales tax, it is okay with me. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

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I wasn't aware of this so, no, I don't currently pay that tax voluntarily. Even if I was aware of it, web site check-outs calculate automatically. How would I or anyone else voluntarily pay the tax ..........
Can't say for sure about HI, but in CA there is a place to add Internet sales on your personal State tax return. You then calculate the rate on unpaid taxes.

I fortunately received a State tax refund this year because I overpaid taxes. Had I calculated the Internet taxes of about $20, I would have received a $20 larger refund. So it turns out to be a wash.

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The states law on tax for internet purchases wont hold up in federal court and they know it... they are trying to slip this thru hoping no one will fight it. the supreme court has said that unless a company has a physical presence in that state they need not collect and pay sales tax to that state. individual state are trying to create a compact that would allow for tax collection but vendors have threatened to exclude those states for their sales, citing the supreme court decision. amazon has left some markets and returned after the states have backed down....
I don't believe this statement is true in it's entirety, but arguing about it on HT is not going to resolve anything. For example, some vendors calculate State sales taxes (like CA) separate from those States who don't require it. It will be resolved through legislation, one way or the other.

I support State sales taxes on all Internet sales. I like driving on roads that are in good repair, I would use mass transit (rail) if available, and I believe that the world's best education is more important than saving a few bucks on an Internet purchase.
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How does that book or spark plug reach your mailbox? Does it travel to your home over any roads? Who maintains those roads?

Who runs the school systems that teach you how to read, so that you are inclined to order a book from an online retailer?

Who pays for a system of consumer protection, in case you find a problem with that spark plug?

Who provides protection and security for the transport of those goods from one state to another?

An excellent discussion of these points can be found here.
A little narrow-minded for my taste. How about if I (in Hawaii) order a movie download from a California company for my friend in Texas? Do I pay sales tax for each state? Do I pay only the Texas state sales tax or only the Hawaii state general excise tax (we have no sales tax)? How about any applicable city or county taxes? No, that road leads to madness...
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How about if I (in Hawaii) order a movie download from a California company for my friend in Texas? Do I pay sales tax for each state? Do I pay only the Texas state sales tax or only the Hawaii state general excise tax (we have no sales tax)?...
You are making this way too complicated. If you buy a birthday present at a retail store in Hawaii and send it to a friend in Texas, where do you pay the sales tax?
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Old April 16th, 2011, 09:16 PM
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I pay fees to register my car and I pay taxes when I buy gasoline. The delivery company pays for licenses for their trucks and they pay taxes to use the road for their business as well as tax when they buy gasoline. You are overreaching when you say need this sales tax is needed to maintain roads and schools.


I pay real estate tax to support the schools. Actually my parents taught me to read before I even went to school. In an ideal world all parents would do the same.

These blood-sucking politicians can't rest if they aren't taxing everything. Swimming licenses! There's a great idea! Because who doesn't want nice beaches?

Perhaps we should pay air tax because we breathe the state's air.

Isaac Choy, he has a brand new tax for us.
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You are making this way too complicated. If you buy a birthday present at a retail store in Hawaii and send it to a friend in Texas, where do you pay the sales tax?
Apparently, you fail to see what I'm getting at. If the state of Hawaii (and the city and County of Honolulu) taxes my order for online merchandise regardless of where it is routed, I'll just order it from another state that won't tax the order [and have it routed to my home] - as will most other savvy buyers.

What I'm saying is that the situation IS way too complicated and perhaps you haven't considered all the ramifications.
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Apparently, you fail to see what I'm getting at..
Yes, you can have a friend in a non-Internet tax State order the item for you and have it sent to their residence. They can then send it to you. You will then pay postage twice which is going to be more than just paying the tax in HI.

With most States facing fiscal challenges, it is my opinion that all States are going to start charging sales taxes for Internet purchases before long.
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Swimming licenses...some eastern states have beach licenses you have to buy to go on their putrid stinking polluted pathetic beaches, what a con, I can't believe people put up with that. But hey, some bleeding heart socialist liberals made beaches public around the turn of the last century--try that today and see how far you'd get. Why should taxpayers foot the bill for a bunch of lazy slobs who want to relax on the taxpayers money on some beach instead of doing something productive like guarding prisoners?
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Part of what you pay taxes for is the upkeep of those socialist beaches we all hate so much. Some honest Communist Chinese corporation could make a lot of money running those beaches. We all know private industry always runs everything better and cheaper than socialist government, right? So lets sell the publicly owned socialist beaches to Communist Chinese corporations, they will run them better and cheaper anyway, and then only the lazy bums who want to waste their time lounging on some beach will have to pay to do so, it won't be a burden on the taxpayers any more. We can use the money we get from selling the beaches to build even more prisons. Its perfect. I don't see any problems with it at all, do you?
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Yes, you can have a friend in a non-Internet tax State order the item for you and have it sent to their residence. They can then send it to you. You will then pay postage twice which is going to be more than just paying the tax in HI.

With most States facing fiscal challenges, it is my opinion that all States are going to start charging sales taxes for Internet purchases before long.
Wrong again, on both counts.
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One advantage to internet sales tax would be that it might help to take some of the pressure off local stores, it might help increase their sales, and their owners and workers paying taxes locally would help your local area to fix its roads, educate the kids, etc. There isn't much advantage in losing local stores, putting people on unemployment or welfare.
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