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Old March 30th, 2010, 05:39 PM
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A state house resolution recognizing cockfighting as a cultural activity was passed by the committee on tourism, culture, and international affairs. From there, it goes on to the House judiciary committee, where it is not certain if the resolution will even be heard.

I wonder: Do HT'ers approve of a legislative resolution that recognizes the cultural value of cockfighting? Keep in mind that a resolution is not a law. Even if the resolution is approved, cockfighting would still be an illegal activity.

One comment: State Rep. Joey Manahan voted in favor of the resolution. Nothing wrong with that. But note what he told the HNN reporter.

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But to the contrary Representative Joey Manahan, who was born in the Philippines, says he does not think cockfighting is cruel and is okay with the use of gaffs or knifes, which kills the animal during fights.

"It's part of our culture its part of our heritage and it's been there for hundreds of years and I've been to fights and I don't think it's cruel," said Rep. Joey Manahan, (D) Sand Island, Mokauea.
Me thinks this is one of those soundbites that could come back to haunt Joey Manahan if he has ambitions for higher political office. What he's saying may very well be acceptable to his constituents in lower Kalihi. But in a state senate or city council race involving a larger electorate, you can be sure that those districts will include communities that are fiercely opposed to animal cruelty and that future opponents will use Manahan's statements against him.

KITV and KHON also did reports on the cockfighting resolution.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 07:21 PM
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Cockfights (the name itself reveals the sexual uncertainty of the human participants,IMNSHO), dog fighting, gladiators, even war.

Do we not have enough violence in the world that we have to promote deadly violence as a spectator sport? This is just a step down from Roman gladiators.

Do you think, even for a minute, that this activity would repress violent urges and make the world a safer place? How does this help society? Where does it fit in 'the Aloha spirit' of our islands?

How about, instead, we fit the breeders with gaffes, throw them in a pit and let them have it out? Let them see what they are inflicting on others?

Forcing animals to fight (they don't fight to the death in nature, just scrap to establish territories) is cruel and psychologically sick. People that participate in this need counseling or jail time.

It was once culturally acceptable to eat human flesh in some places. Shall we also promote that as "as a cultural activity?"

Let's add: human sacrifice to 'the gods.' and other outdated cultural practices, why don't we?

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Old March 30th, 2010, 07:52 PM
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Just for the record, when the reso got to the full house today, they voted to send it back to committee - in effect, killing it. The current illegality of cockfighting prevails.
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Cockfighting is disturbing and disgusting, just like the idiots who participate in it.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 11:46 PM
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Just for the record, when the reso got to the full house today, they voted to send it back to committee - in effect, killing it. The current illegality of cockfighting prevails.
True, thank goodness! Although just to reiterate..... the resolution would not have legalized cockfighting.

However, the Advertiser is reporting that Manahan is considering reviving the issue again next year. So yeah, despite the slam-dunk rejection from his House colleagues, this clown (who chairs the Tourism committee) is planning to waste more precious time in the 2011 session discussing this nonsense instead of spending it on crafting measures that would help the visitor industry.

Good grief, I don't know what that guy is thinking! Maybe Manahan's trying to win the votes of all the rooster breeders in his district when re-election time rolls around. But as I said in my earlier post, this kind of pandering is short-sighted and he's probably wrecked any chances he might have had for a higher profile office. In the meantime, if House Speaker Calvin Say and the Democratic caucus aren't embarrassed with Manahan using his Tourism committee chairmanship as a bully pulpit for cockfighting, they really ought to be!
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It was once culturally acceptable to eat human flesh in some places. Shall we also promote that as "as a cultural activity?"

Let's add: human sacrifice to 'the gods.' and other outdated cultural practices, why don't we?
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Cockfighting is disturbing and disgusting, just like the idiots who participate in it.
Then you'll have to call me an idiot from here on in, TG. I used to go to chicken fights with my dad, and we watched them and bet them. We even get to buy the loser's chicken to feed our family.

But like all sports, it went down to hell now that breeders started to give them drug and steroids. No one wouldn't eat the loser chicken now.
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Good grief, I don't know what that guy is thinking! Maybe Manahan's trying to win the votes of all the rooster breeders in his district when re-election time rolls around. But as I said in my earlier post, this kind of pandering is short-sighted and he's probably wrecked any chances he might have had for a higher profile office. In the meantime, if House Speaker Calvin Say and the Democratic caucus aren't embarrassed with Manahan using his Tourism committee chairmanship as a bully pulpit for cockfighting, they really ought to be!
And you wonder why I have NO confidence in society's norms.
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I would be for the resolution if the animal gladiators were kakaroaches. I almost choked on a KFC when hearing the resolution. Did the resolution choked the chicken?
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I would be for the resolution if the animal gladiators were kakaroaches. I almost choked on a KFC when hearing the resolution. Did the resolution choked the chicken?
Unfortunately, there's an ick factor when it comes to cockroaches.
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Yeah. There's also a major ick factor when it comes to arming innocent chickens and forcing them to fight for amusement.
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Some people say we should not interfere with other people's cultures.

For instance, girls are not allowed to attend school in some cultures. Do you agree with that, or would you try to change their culture? What about no female drivers in some Arab cultures? Or the practice of female circumcision in other cultures? Folks against the War on Terror believe that terrorists should be allowed to practice their culture, which includes teaching women and children to wear bombs and walk into cafes or train stations or othersuch.

Believe it or not, some folks think a baby was born from a virgin.

So who are YOU to say what is right or wrong, from a cultural point of view?
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How is cockfighting worse than hunting?

At least in a cockfight, the chickens know what they are expected to do. In the "game" of hunting, do the animals know that they are playing? I digress...
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Yeah. There's also a major ick factor when it comes to arming innocent chickens and forcing them to fight for amusement.
Not really. You get to eat the loser chicken afterward (if there are no drug or steroid in its system).

Can't really eat a cockroach (organic or otherwise), like some other cultures.
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In the "game" of hunting, do the animals know that they are playing? I digress...
OMG - WHAT!?! Hunting is a game and the animals are playing along (or are they?)!!!!!

This is not a game! Hunting is not a game for those poor animals when they're being stalked by humans with weapons!! When they run terrified, sometimes wounded, they are trying to LIVE, a natural instinct! I assure you, animals' pain and suffering is not a game. It is not for our selfish entertainment! Making chickens fight each other (of course, each chicken is 'dying' to win) is absurd. Duh, put them in close quarters with a scary crowd of people around, and I bet they'd fight their own mothers to get out of there!! Because they want to LIVE! They aren't actors for our entertainment - they're animals with no choice but to 'entertain' bloodthirsty, callous jerks.
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Edit: I'm not trying to give Mike a hard time. I have a hard time with the way certain people treat animals, as though its all fun and games to watch helpless animals suffer. Peace
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Some people say we should not interfere with other people's cultures.
Yeah, but you're using cultural practices taking place in foreign countries as examples. Surely, there is a difference when an immigrant tries to bring their cultural practices to another country. Common sense tells us that the "culture" argument has limitations on what is or is not acceptable in the country that they have chosen to emigrate to.

As the Humane Society national president said, in regards to the resolution:

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"A wide array of animal abusers use the smokescreen of culture as a defense for their depravity, whether they are bullfighters, dogfighters, or seal clubbers," Pacelle wrote in the group's blog. "It is just amazing that a group of elected officials — albeit a small group of four individuals — would provide a defense for a group of known, professional lawbreakers who enjoy the sight of animals trying to hack each other to death and like to gamble on the outcome."
I can also add to that:

Another thing that weakens the cultural defense of cockfighting is the modern day practice of having the roosters ingest steroids and stimulants. Cockfighting proponents can talk all day about how their bloodsport goes back hundreds of years... but the truth of the matter is that steroids weren't used hundreds of years ago by anyone.
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Well, bull-fighting is part of Spanish culture. So what? I just don't understand the purpose behind 'recognizing' a cultural activity abhorrent to our society. Should we also recognize head-hunting, revenge/honor killings, plural marriages, infanticide and running amok? I know, let's recognize traffic jams, bankruptcy, infidelity, suicide and governmental fraud, waste and abuse as part of our own cultural activities! Whoopee!

Hello, reality check, please.
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And how about shark fin soup? That bill (banning . . .) bit the dust today.
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while we're at it why not ban boxing, or other sporting events designed to pummel the crap outta your opponent? Roosters die in cockfights, so do prizefighters.
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Craig and Kimo, I don't know where you're coming from here (unfortunately, it's not the first time, either). The discussion isn't about banning anything, it's about governmental recognition of cock-fighting as a cultural activity. I can't perceive how your comments relate to that topic. Could you give me a hint as to the tie-in?
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Craig and Kimo, I don't know where you're coming from here (unfortunately, it's not the first time, either). The discussion isn't about banning anything, it's about governmental recognition of cock-fighting as a cultural activity. I can't perceive how your comments relate to that topic. Could you give me a hint as to the tie-in?
We'll protect chickens that put their lives on the line in the ring, but we don't protect humans who put their lives in the ring. Simple, no?
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OMG - WHAT!?! Hunting is a game and the animals are playing along (or are they?)!!!!!

This is not a game! Hunting is not a game for those poor animals when they're being stalked by humans with weapons!! When they run terrified, sometimes wounded, they are trying to LIVE, a natural instinct! I assure you, animals' pain and suffering is not a game. It is not for our selfish entertainment! Making chickens fight each other (of course, each chicken is 'dying' to win) is absurd. Duh, put them in close quarters with a scary crowd of people around, and I bet they'd fight their own mothers to get out of there!! Because they want to LIVE! They aren't actors for our entertainment - they're animals with no choice but to 'entertain' bloodthirsty, callous jerks.
Exactly my point. Hunting isn't a game. If you're gonna stop cockfights, do something about hunting first. More animals die, endangered plants are trampled, endangered species' habitats, humans die in accidents, humans get lost on hunting trips requiring firefighters to put their lives on the line to rescue their butts during hunting.
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OMG - WHAT!?! Hunting is a game and the animals are playing along (or are they?)!!!!!

This is not a game! Hunting is not a game for those poor animals when they're being stalked by humans with weapons!! When they run terrified, sometimes wounded, they are trying to LIVE, a natural instinct! I assure you, animals' pain and suffering is not a game. It is not for our selfish entertainment! Making chickens fight each other (of course, each chicken is 'dying' to win) is absurd. Duh, put them in close quarters with a scary crowd of people around, and I bet they'd fight their own mothers to get out of there!! Because they want to LIVE! They aren't actors for our entertainment - they're animals with no choice but to 'entertain' bloodthirsty, callous jerks.
We don't hunt for entertainment. We hunt (and kill) for food. The same goes for domesticated animals.
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Edit: I'm not trying to give Mike a hard time. I have a hard time with the way certain people treat animals, as though its all fun and games to watch helpless animals suffer. Peace
They're not really helpless when they're both armed with knives.
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