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Old January 10th, 2009, 10:16 PM
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Gotta be a bad day for someone. A couple of boats with blue blinking lights, a HFD helicopter overhead, and a boat sticking out of the water at a 45 degree angle.

As of nightfall everyone had left. The boat is still there. I guess salvage will have to wait another day.

Nothing on the news that I can see. Hopefully LikaNui has some info.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 10:30 PM
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Gotta be a bad day for someone. A couple of boats with blue blinking lights, a HFD helicopter overhead, and a boat sticking out of the water at a 45 degree angle.

As of nightfall everyone had left. The boat is still there. I guess salvage will have to wait another day.

Nothing on the news that I can see. Hopefully LikaNui has some info.
Joe Phillipson was onboard and Twittering/posting photos/video today.

http://twitter.com/JPhilipson
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Old January 10th, 2009, 10:59 PM
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Dropped his camera the day before, iPhone toast, camera questionable .... boy, he's having a bad day!
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Old January 10th, 2009, 11:00 PM
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Happy to see that everyone's ok. But...DAYAM...that looks like it was a really nice boat. Then there's the loss of iphones and other equipment...not to mention house and car keys.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 12:11 AM
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Oh My!
I wonder where the water came in from?
Must've been sinking real quick, or they could'a pulled it up higher on the sandbar.
Can always dig it out later.
Glad everyone was okay.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 12:54 AM
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Hopefully LikaNui has some info.
I hadn't heard anything about it until I found this thread just now, so I don't know what happed to cause this... but I sure do know that boat.
And I have a lot to say about it.
If anyone is a friend of the owner, then prepare to get mad at me.
I'll start by saying that I wasn't surprised in the slightest when I saw which boat it was. I've had to pull that same boat off of reefs not once but twice, and I know other people who have also towed him off.
He's pissed off everyone at the sandbar numerous times. Every time he goes out, he first blasts by at high speed and the wake from his boat sends every other boat rocking wildly and knocks over anything set up on the sandbar's high spot (chairs, tables, volleyball nets, barbecues, whatever). Worst of all is that he has almost run over children several times! And that's all just as he approaches the sandbar. Almost every time.
Then he tries to anchor his boat. Note the use of the word "tries." He also insists on trying to take the best spot, no matter how many other boats are already there. He'll try to wedge in between, and usually bumps into other boats in the process. He has zero boat-handling skills, and after several unsuccessful attempts he usually relies on other people to swim over to his boat and anchor it for him.
Once anchored, the first thing he does is pull out a pair of huuuuuuge stereo speakers and proceeds to turn the volume up to 15 and blast the hell out of everyone within a mile. Then he and his friends proceed to get drunk and be lewd and rude and offensive to everyone else.
When he finally leaves, he blasts off and his wake shakes everyone else's boats again, and he quite often runs into one of the coral heads as goes back to his slip at Heeia Kea harbor. He keeps his boat there because he was evicted from the first marina he was in when he bought the boat just over one year ago. And he recently ran into another boat while trying to pull into the fuel dock.
Like I said, if he's a friend of yours I'm sorry, but this guy is a frickin' nightmare and he almost singlehandedly ruined all of last summer at the sandbar. As a matter of fact, if you look back at some of my sandbar photos in the Hawaii Boating Photos thread I'm pretty sure you'll see his boat "Aquadelica" in there.
It's a shame to see what happened to his boat, but on the other hand I'll bet big money that a whole lot of the sandbar 'regulars' are cheering. Expect to see that photo posted all over town.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 01:04 AM
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Maybe someone got fed up and stealthily pulled his transom plug.
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And I have a lot to say about it.
Wow, what a story, LikaNui. I'd be glad it happened to the captain too, except nice people on the boat got their electronics wet / damaged.

@JPhilipson has a video clip of the wreck. You can see someone helping the captain salvage his flat screen TV (actually I'm assuming it belongs to the captain).
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Maybe someone got fed up and stealthily pulled his transom plug.
Wouldn't surprise me. But more likely is that he hit a reef AGAIN on the way to the sandbar and the leak came in through a broken rudder post or a tweaked shaft. Maybe one of the through-hull fittings broke. Maybe the head (toilet, for you landlubbers) flooded.
It would be apropos if it was the latter.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 01:19 AM
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I wonder if the people taking their picture with the boat, in the video, were boat passengers or people who disliked the captain
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Geez Likanui, he sounds like his boating priveleges should be revoked. Is there such a regulation? At least no-one got hurt. There are worse places in the ocean a boat could fill up with water. You should copy and paste your thoughts above on the blog ZZtype links to in his post. Maybe he's already been told, but if he hasn't it sounds like he should be.
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...except that's not a blog. it's a Twitter account, and you'd have to summarize it in 140 characters or fewer.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 01:33 AM
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Thanks Lika Nui for that story. I had caught Philipson's tweets, video and pix on this. Now I know another part of this developing story.

That all said, this is the kind of stuff that irks the environmentalists and cultural preservationists into action and may have a bad fallout for all the boaters and people who use the sandbar.

A few years ago State Senator Clayton Hee tried to pass a bill to ban the recreational use of the sandbar. I would not be surprised if another bill like that surfaces again this legislative session.

You folks better start monitoring the legislative session that starts on January 21.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 01:39 AM
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Geez Likanui, he sounds like his boating priveleges should be revoked. Is there such a regulation?
No such regulation. No license required to operate a boat (unless you're taking passengers out for hire), but this jerk is a convincing reason why there should be a license requirement.
And by the way, a few of you have mistakenly referred to him as a "captain." You can call him the "skipper" of his boat, but calling someone a "captain" implies that the person is indeed licensed. Calling this buffoon a captain is an insult to real captains.

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As Scrivner noted, no can do. And I hope this JPhilpson person was just an innocent passenger.
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...except that's not a blog. it's a Twitter account, and you'd have to summarize it in 140 characters or fewer.
Hmmm . . . maybe could post a link, or the URL, to Likanui's post. Not trying to press the issue, but it really does sound like he needs to be told. Putting anyone in danger is not cool, but endangering kids is unacceptable.
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Thanks Lika Nui for that story. I had caught Philipson's tweets, video and pix on this. Now I know another part of this developing story.
The guy is a danger to everyone else on the water, and that's why I posted that.
As someone who has done offshore search-and-rescue for a few decades, I can tell you that it's that kind of jerk that really lights my fire (as you all may have noticed ). I don't mind risking my boat and my life to save people who are legitimately in danger, but when I have to risk my boat and my life to save idiots, well...

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That all said, this is the kind of stuff that irks the environmentalists and cultural preservationists into action and may have a bad fallout for all the boaters and people who use the sandbar.
Only if there was fuel and oil leaking out of the boat. That's likely, as both engines and both fuel tanks are completely underwater. However, I dearly hope that the rescue boats put a floating containment boom around Aquadelica to contain the fluids, as is -- or should be -- standard procedure.

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Not likely to happen just because of today's incident. It's not all that unusual for boats to sink. There were two of them off of the Ala Wai within just a couple days of each other right before Christmas, as I recall.
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And by the way, a few of you have mistakenly referred to him as a "captain." You can call him the "skipper" of his boat, but calling someone a "captain" implies that the person is indeed licensed. Calling this buffoon a captain is an insult to real captains.
Gotcha. I dunno. Calling him "skipper" is still too nice. Reminds me of Gilligan's Island.

Perhaps "schmuck"?


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JPhilipson is a real nice guy. Met him this past Friday, in fact. Not sure how he and his friends ended up on this boat.
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Only if there was fuel and oil leaking out of the boat.
Unfortunately, @JPhilipson said he had gotten gasoline in his eyes. Dunno about oil.
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I've had to pull that same boat off of reefs not once but twice, and I know other people who have also towed him off.
I wonder. How much abuse can one boat take? Maybe it took one to many.

Thanks, I figured you'd have some info. I'd be curious as to the details of what happened. I know just enough about boats to be able to stick my foot in my mouth.
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And thanks Likanui for the truthful expression of how some 'BOATERS'(?) act.
There are truly too many that are unsafe to themselves and others.

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With airplanes, a comment often tossed up by veteran pilots is that a wealthy person can buy more airplane than he/she can handle.

A middle-class pilot is relegated to an airplane that can be flown only in visual conditions. But a really wealthy novice pilot can afford de-icing equipment, glass cockpit components, turbocharged twin engines, constant-speed props, pressurization, retracts and all the bells and whistles. Then they recklessly fly themselves into marginal conditions, lose track of where the air and dirt are, and stick the sharp end into the Earth.

That happened with John F. Kennedy Jr. who got disoriented during a night flight and splashed a high-performance aircraft in the sea. The Navy spends a huge amount of effort to recover him, and what happens afterward? They bury him at sea!!!

Sadly, they often take their friends with them.

Back on topic: In this case, it's a guy who somehow allowed his boat to sink in calm inland waters in a boat that might have been overloaded. A news report on KGMB said there were 40 people aboard that boat. Is that right?? Were there enough PFD's aboard? And where were they? Neatly stowed below decks where they wouldn't mess up the clean lines of this party boat? I didn't see any floating around when these guys recovered the dang TV!

Light winds. Zero-stress conditions. And the boat sinks? Isn't there a bilge flooding alarm? Multiple bilge pumps? Manual bilge pump?

Hardly a victim. He somehow put himself there. If Lika Nui's reports are any indication, boating safety is the last item on this guy's checklist.

Hopefully this guy's marine insurance has a "stupid" clause that prevents him from recovering costs in the event he did something that's just plain dumb: No payment if it's an act of God, War, or Stupidity.
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A news report on KGMB said there were 40 people aboard that boat. Is that right??
There was quite a crowd standing on the sandbar.
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Back on topic: In this case, it's a guy who somehow allowed his boat to sink in calm inland waters in a boat that might have been overloaded. A news report on KGMB said there were 40 people aboard that boat. Is that right?? Were there enough PFD's aboard? And where were they? Neatly stowed below decks where they wouldn't mess up the clean lines of this party boat? I didn't see any floating around when these guys recovered the dang TV!
Not being a boater (unless floating in a rubber raft once as a kid counts), I appreciate the insights, Composite.
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