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View Poll Results: Should New Years fireworks be banned?
Yes, only professional displays should be allowed 13 50.00%
No, everyone should be allowed to use fireworks 13 50.00%
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Old January 15th, 2009, 03:27 PM
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Law enforcenment only works whenthe vast majority agree withthe law - otherwise, it is an exercise in either repression or futility.
The vast majority think that traffic laws are reasonable and justified, but an incredible amount who believe in the laws still do whatever they want, no matter how dangerous.

The drugs and gambling, whatever, can be handled by a police force that really wishes to make an impact without much trouble. There is a lot less pot activity these day's, and not for lack of desire on users.
The majority of most communitys supports eliminating the problems of illegal fireworks.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 03:28 PM
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Very good point - and that was really all I was saying - a fair law of the sort that recognizes the needs, and (selfish) desires of one group does not necessarily have to exclude or ignore the needs or concerns of another - compromise and an effort to find a solution is what is needed - not a lot of ad homine attacks about my selfishness or their health problems - I am sorry people have health problems, I have had my own, but that doesn't mean I have the right to inflict the limitations in my life on everyone else And, if tutusue is really that concerned about the quality of the air two or three times a year - he/she should probably not drive - But, I'll bet he or she does drive.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 03:32 PM
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The majority of the community? How do you know that? I'll bet that if you polled all the folks in the back of the valleys, as well as the folks on the windward side and the North Shore you would find that is not the case. And, I think that would be a hard case to make considering the number of people who participate every year. Once again - there should be room for everyone.

And, you are right, there is a lot less pot activity these days - maybe that's why Honolulu has become the ice capitol of the world - that approach has worked well hasn't it?
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Old January 15th, 2009, 03:34 PM
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Hey guys - this has been fun, but I have to get back to work - maybe we can do this again in the future. Ciao
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Old January 15th, 2009, 03:47 PM
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just because some people have health problems DOES NOT mean that we all have to stop living.
Don't stop living, just stop breaking the law.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 04:02 PM
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Hey guys - this has been fun, but I have to get back to work - maybe we can do this again in the future. Ciao
Darn, now we don't have Paul with us for the moment. I hate when that happens.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 04:21 PM
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Good arguments on both sides. They should put this issue on the ballots too and let the people decide. It would be a fair vote and the people will be satisfied regardless of the outcome.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 04:30 PM
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Good arguments on both sides.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 04:52 PM
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Honolulu City Council may ask state for right to curb fireworks a Honolulu Advertiser report.

"The resolution, proposed by City Councilman Charles K. Djou, does not have the force of law but "urges the state Legislature to amend and strengthen the state Fireworks Control Law, by authorizing the counties to adopt laws more stringent than those imposed by the state."

The full council will consider final passage on Jan. 28.

Honolulu police, firefighters, and a coalition of community stakeholders plan to introduce a measure at the state Legislature this session imposing a total ban on all consumer fireworks." (I like this part!)

An all out ban! I can dream can't I?!
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Old January 15th, 2009, 04:56 PM
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"The resolution, proposed by City Councilman Charles K. Djou, does not have the force of law but "urges the state Legislature to amend and strengthen the state Fireworks Control Law, by authorizing the counties to adopt laws more stringent than those imposed by the state."
I thought the counties already COULD pass laws that are more stringent than those imposed by the state. ??
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Uhh, yea I posted this article to start today’s round of discussions. At least now I know who’s reading and who’s just posting to stroke their own ego.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 05:50 PM
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1) The majority of the community? How do you know that? I'll bet that if you polled all the folks in the back of the valleys, as well as the folks on the windward side and the North Shore you would find that is not the case. And, I think that would be a hard case to make considering the number of people who participate every year.

2) And, you are right, there is a lot less pot activity these days - maybe that's why Honolulu has become the ice capitol of the world - that approach has worked well hasn't it?
1) It's what sticks in my mind from media polls, that the majority prefer to have less noise/pollution/dangers than those who wish to continue the tradtion. I think most grow out of the big joy from all that, and a growing number are seeing the sense in not.

2) No, it hasn't worked at all (but heroin use is almost pau), and if we hadn't elected Lingle and Bush I'll bet things would be different, if not in fact much better. Lingle won't even consider industrial hemp, for anything! What a freak.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 05:58 PM
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I think everyone is wasting their time and effort on this when there is more important issues. Maybe ICE and corruption.

I guess if it doesn't affect them directly, it doesn't matter. It matters when that ICE head breaks into your house, robs you at knife and gun point steals your belongings to AMP your stuff for his next fix, then it will matter.

To put all your focus on something that happens only one night of the year, i think can be better focus on other things.

On a side note if your at ala moana around the ground level were Old Navy, SubWay, Thoms Barber shop is etc, that place has the WORST Polluted air in hawaii ever.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 06:00 PM
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But you can avoid Ala Moana Center.

Yes, there are much bigger issues than the topic of fireworks, but not in this thread.
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Uhh, yea I posted this article to start today’s round of discussions. At least now I know who’s reading and who’s just posting to stroke their own ego.
Sorry I missed your link... and up yours buddy!
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Old January 15th, 2009, 08:02 PM
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Ryan (and Mrs. Ryan!) shouldn't be forced from their home in order to protect the health of their children. They may not resent having to do that but I resent it for them! As I mentioned in an earlier post, I don't mind the NYE fireworks but I really don't feel people should be forced into a position of spending a fair chunk of change (which so many can't afford) to travel to protect their health. That said...I have no answers to the fireworks situation and I do know the PZ family enjoys their time on the BI.
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Okay, I also agree, but like tutusue said, Ryan and his ‘ohana were not forced to do what they did... they wanted to.
0)My question was why more people don’t follow his lead, not whether or not they should. At the very least, it supports your local airlines and the outer island economies!
If someone wishes to take a trip... good on them, but to do so for health reasons (escaping the smoke) is ridiculous!
0) Because we don't wish to.
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Every time I hear the b-word taking away more of our freedoms it bothers me. Apart from hard drugs and a very few other things, bans are not the answer. It is the job of our government to be expanding our freedoms and putting more take home pay in our pockets, not the other way around.

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It is the job of our government to be expanding our freedoms and putting more take home pay in our pockets,
We done got us librul here!
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Every time I hear the b-word taking away more of our freedoms it bothers me. Apart from hard drugs and a very few other things, bans are not the answer. It is the job of our government to be expanding our freedoms and putting more take home pay in our pockets, not the other way around.
i agree! legalize the aerials, have the state tax it, so they can make money on it. Why should the state not get a piece of the action?
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Old January 15th, 2009, 09:33 PM
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[...]And, if tutusue is really that concerned about the quality of the air two or three times a year - he/she should probably not drive - But, I'll bet he or she does drive.
She... And, I see fireworks much more than 2-3 times a year. I see and hear them once a week.

I have no health issues that smoke from fireworks...or cars...affects. On a personal level, I'm not concerned about a few days of poor air quality. But there are at least 154,000 people in our state who are affected and their needs should be considered. That's out of a population of approx. 1.29million. That's over 10% of the population. As I stated previously...I DO NOT SUPPORT AN OUTRIGHT BAN AND I ENJOY WATCHING THE FIREWORKS.

And, yes, I drive...maybe 4000 miles per year and I don't have a 'green' car. I'm very thankful for our tradewinds that keep smog to a minimum. I lived in the San Fernando Valley for years when smog was at it's worst, which was on a daily basis. I'll take Hawaii's 'smoke' problems anyday but will support a compromise that takes the large community of lung patients into consideration.

Please try to comprehend what others are writing before replying.
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I think everyone is wasting their time and effort on this when there is more important issues.
Well then bye-bye, go somewhere else if you don't like the discussion. The thread is titled "Ban New Years fireworks", if you are not interested in the discussion then DON'T SHOW UP HERE and "waste" your time.
It is one thing to disagree, that is what threads are for (i.e. discussion), but really if you perceive it as "wasting" your time, you should simply go elsewhere.
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And if tutusue is really that concerned about the quality of the air two or three times a year - he/she should probably not drive - But, I'll bet he or she does drive.
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Hey Valenti. You claim to be one Potagee born-and-raised in Honolulu, but you couldn’t figgah Tutu Sue fo’ one wahine? ‘Auwe no ho‘i. Johnny Cash may have written a song about a boy named Sue, but I still nevah went meet da buggah.
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Old January 16th, 2009, 01:37 AM
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Hey Valenti. You claim to be one Potagee born-and-raised in Honolulu, but you couldn’t figgah Tutu Sue fo’ one wahine? ‘Auwe no ho‘i. Johnny Cash may have written a song about a boy named Sue, but I still nevah went meet da buggah.
So, is Valenti an "imposter" by claiming to be from Hawaii?
Or is Valenti slamming da Potagees by pretending being one and not knowing a Tutu from a kane?
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An all out ban! I can dream can't I?!
Oh, you may well get your ban.

Getting the public to go along? Now I think you're dreaming.
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[...]but you couldn’t figgah Tutu Sue fo’ one wahine?[...]
And what about my avatar? Jeez...shoulda been obvious!
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