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Old June 24th, 2008, 05:19 PM
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Channel 5.1 is now displayed as 23.1, putting it in a numerical range I don't usually cycle through. What's up? (Ewa locale)
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Old June 26th, 2008, 05:01 AM
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I think most of the DTV channels are actually on the UHF spectrum of the broadcast dial.

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KFVE          HI HONOLULU                  USA             (Digital)

  Licensee: KHNL/KFVE LICENSE SUBSIDIARY, LLC
  Service Designation: DS   Special Temporary Authority (digital)

  Channel: 23     524 - 530 MHz  
  File No.:   BDSTA-20041012AKF     Facility ID number: 34445
  CDBS Application ID No.: 1020492

   21 22' 55.00" N Latitude              
  158 06' 19.00" W Longitude (NAD 27)
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Old June 26th, 2008, 03:31 PM
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Aren't UHF reserved for low-powered TV stations?

If so, non-cable, non-dish, OTA folks in Kaunakaka'i are going to have a hard time catching good receptions.
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Old June 26th, 2008, 06:15 PM
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I think most of the DTV channels are actually on the UHF spectrum of the broadcast dial.
Yes, but their signal is supposed to 'tell' the receiver to display the desired number (in this case, 5.1). I think that's also the only channel not currently displaying program information.
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Old June 27th, 2008, 04:12 AM
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Sounds like KFVE's PSIP generator had a brainfart. Since most people don't watch TV OTA anymore, they likely don't even know that it has occurred.


BTW, most DTV stations are and will continue to be UHF after the analog shutdown in Feb. '09. But for those in Maui County because of the move off of Haleakala most stations there will do a "flash cut". They will shut off the analog signal and use the same frequency for the DTV station.

KHON, KITV and KMEB will "flash cut"
KGMB will use UHF 24 remapped as 3.1
KHNL wll use UHF 16 remapped as 15.1
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Old June 27th, 2008, 04:37 AM
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BTW, most DTV stations are and will continue to be UHF after the analog shutdown in Feb. '09. But for those in Maui County because of the move off of Haleakala most stations there will do a "flash cut". They will shut off the analog signal and use the same frequency for the DTV station.

KHON, KITV and KMEB will "flash cut"
KGMB will use UHF 24 remapped as 3.1
KHNL wll use UHF 16 remapped as 15.1
Where do you get your info? If on the internet, what's the link?
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Old June 27th, 2008, 01:12 PM
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Try this FCC link. It has all of the TV frequencies in Hawaii listed, both analog and digital. It's possible that not all the information there is totally up to date.
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Old June 27th, 2008, 01:27 PM
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Rabbit Ears www.rabbitears.info/market.php but they get the info from the FCC which you can also search at fcc.gov.


#073 Wailuku, Hawaii
KGMV DT CBS 03 24 24 2476' 77.0 kW DA 20080219BJM Wants to flash-cut TV-03 to DT-24 in 09/08, but will likely be delayed.
KAII DT FOX 07 36 07 2470' 3.69 kW DA 20080219AOH Plans to flash-cut on 02/17/09.
KMEB DT PBS 10 30 10 2450' 21.2 kW DA 20080214AGE Awaiting FCC action.
KMAU DT ABC 12 29 12 2450' 9.00 kW DA 20080219ANV Plans to flash-cut on 02/17/09.
KOGG DT NBC 15 16 16 2683' 50.0 kW DA 20080219BIY Awaiting environmental permit.
KWHM DT IND 21 45 21 2421' 40.7 kW DA 20080219AVY Will flash-cut on 02/17/09.

Here's Oahu:


#073 Honolulu, Hawaii
KHON DT FOX 02 08 08 -39.' 7.20 kW ND 20080219AOX
KITV DT ABC 04 40 40 3.28' 85.0 kW DA 20080219AMT
KFVE DT MyN 05 23 23 1463' 5.40 kW DA 20080219BIO
KGMB DT CBS 09 22 22 2063' 40.0 kW DA 20080219BJO Requests to stay on DT-22.
KHET DT PBS 11 18 11 2050' 28.7 kW DA 20080214AGG Will halve analog power 06/08, then flash-cut 02/17/09.
KHNL DT NBC 13 35 35 1486' 5.90 kW DA 20080219BIJ
KWHE DT IND 14 31 31 16.4' 20.1 kW DA 20080219AWA
KIKU DT ETH 20 19 19 1988' 216. kW DA 20080214AHS
KAAH DT TBN 26 27 27 1893' 1000 kW DA 20080219AJV
KBFD DT ETH 32 33 33 -118' 49.6 kW DA 20080211AFI Analog operating at low power.
KALO DT IND 38 10 10 1899' ???? kW DA 20080219AVX What a mess.
KWBN DT IND 44 43 43 1893' 22.0 kW ND 20080219AIC
KKAI DT IND 50 -- 50 1223' 12.0 kW ND 20080219AGN Will flash-cut ASAP.
KUPU DT IND 56 -- 38 226.' ???? kW ND 20080219AWB Involved in KALO's mess, but will be on DT-10 or DT-13 most likely.
KPXO DT ION 66 41 41 2073' 34.0 kW ND 20080212ADS

Hilo:


#073 Hilo, Hawaii
KHBC DT NBC 02 22 22 -558' 8.00 kW DA 20080219AXE
KLEI DT ION 06 25 25 2857' 2.50 kW DA 20080219AGM
KGMD DT CBS 09 08 09 -292' 1.55 kW ND 20080219BJN Will flash-cut in 10/08.
KHAW DT FOX 11 21 11 100.' 3.35 kW DA 20080219APQ Will flash-cut on 02/17/09.
KHVO DT ABC 13 18 13 -302' 2.00 kW DA 20080219AOF Will terminate TV-13 02/13/09, terminate DT-18 and activate DT-13 02/17/09.
KWHH DT IND 14 23 23 108.' 14.9 kW DA 20080219AWC
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Old June 27th, 2008, 07:42 PM
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And where did you get the info on the relay transmitter on Maui?
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Old June 28th, 2008, 12:22 AM
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If you are referring to the stations transmitters being relocated off of Haleakala, here is a link to KITV's most recent FCC filing which briefly details the situation: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/f...ibit_id=642636

But an internet search at this site, Star-Bulletin and AVS forums will give a more detailed explanation of the reason why.
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Thanks for the link. Been wondering if the local news made any mention about the move to Ulupalakua Ranch on Maui.

BTW, since KHNL and KFVE are sister stations, why is it so hard to watch KFVE (or its Maui callsign K27DW) in Kaunakakai yet KHNL (or its Maui callsign KOGG) is broadcasting so clear and strong?

Any chance will KIKU and KBFD collaborate to build a station transmitter on Maui? I'm missing my japanese and korean drama.

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Old June 30th, 2008, 12:08 PM
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Thanks for the link. Been wondering if the local news made any mention about the move to Ulupalakua Ranch on Maui.

BTW, since KHNL and KFVE are sister stations, why is it so hard to watch KFVE (or its Maui callsign K27DW) in Kaunakakai yet KHNL (or its Maui callsign KOGG) is broadcasting so clear and strong?

Any chance will KIKU and KBFD collaborate to build a station transmitter on Maui? I'm missing my japanese and korean drama.

--say NO to cable or dish.
K27DW is a low-power translator station whose transmitting power isn't that strong. KOGG, on the other hand, is a full-power TV station that transmits with over 14x more power than K27DW.

So in theory KOGG's signal can reach further than K27DW. And if you can catch both KOGG and K27DW, chances are KOGG is much clearer because it transmits with more power.
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Old June 30th, 2008, 10:45 PM
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K27DW is a low-power translator station whose transmitting power isn't that strong. KOGG, on the other hand, is a full-power TV station that transmits with over 14x more power than K27DW.

So in theory KOGG's signal can reach further than K27DW. And if you can catch both KOGG and K27DW, chances are KOGG is much clearer because it transmits with more power.
Can KHNL provide them with more power or do they have to go through red tape with getting FCC approval?

So, it's still more of the same as analog broadcasting. "The more things change, the more they stay the same," eh? Sighs.
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Can KHNL provide them with more power or do they have to go through red tape with getting FCC approval?
Yep, red tape.

The FCC limits how much power a transmitter can give off... they can even limit what direction to beam the signal. I think that rule is in place mostly for the mainland so that there is minimal interference between two stations 100+ miles apart that happen to be on the same channel.
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Yep, red tape.

The FCC limits how much power a transmitter can give off... they can even limit what direction to beam the signal. I think that rule is in place mostly for the mainland so that there is minimal interference between two stations 100+ miles apart that happen to be on the same channel.
So, what ridiculous rules apply to the mainland also apply to us?
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No channel reception 9.1 all weekend long, c'mon. Also, noticed channel 2 seems to have discontinued OTA analog broadcast.
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No channel reception 9.1 all weekend long, c'mon. Also, noticed channel 2 seems to have discontinued OTA analog broadcast.
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ch 2 analog is temporarily down for repairs.
I have not noticed any problem with 9.1 OTA. I am in Waipahu, near Walmart. Try rescanning your TV? These things get "Alzheimers" sometimes. They forget how to decode the channel data, then you gotta slap'em around to wake da buggah up again....figuratively speaking.
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Here's the problem with re-scanning - not only did I lose recognition of 9.1 as a channel, but I also lost RF23.1 (which is channel 5 in DTV). So, not only did I not gain 9.1, but I lost '5.1'. On my other tuner, it previously recognized 9.1 as 22.1, but I still get no picture there. Maybe there's a directional issue involved.

P.S. - Oops, the antenna was moved when the window screens were cleaned. That seems to have caused my outage. I really need a new antenna.
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ch 2 analog is temporarily down for repairs.
At this point the obvious question is WHY!?

94% of people on this island have cable/dbs and only 6 months til they shut it down anyway.

They should just file with the FCC to keep analog off for the stated reasons and turn in the license.

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At this point the obvious question is WHY!?

94% of people on this island have cable/dbs and only 6 months til they shut it down anyway.
Because the 4% of us are stubborn to keep OTA analog signal until then.

And if you so much as to arrogantly suggest we get cable or dish...
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 05:43 AM
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No I am not suggesting that you get cable/dbs.

I am only suggesting for Oahu where you can get KHON in digital.
If you want to continue to receive KHON apply for the coupons and get a converter. You are going to need one anyway plus you will add the CW as well for free.
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No I am not suggesting that you get cable/dbs.

I am only suggesting for Oahu where you can get KHON in digital.
They still need to transmit the analog signal to Maui's relay transmitter so that folks in the East End of Molokai, including Kaunakakai, can receive their KHON on Channel 7. They shut off that signal on Oahu, nothing will be received and bounce toward us.
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Here's the problem with re-scanning - not only did I lose recognition of 9.1 as a channel, but I also lost RF23.1 (which is channel 5 in DTV). So, not only did I not gain 9.1, but I lost '5.1'. On my other tuner, it previously recognized 9.1 as 22.1, but I still get no picture there. Maybe there's a directional issue involved.

P.S. - Oops, the antenna was moved when the window screens were cleaned. That seems to have caused my outage. I really need a new antenna.
Well, it's all back now, so I guess it wasn't my antenna after all...
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Still same channel 5 problem, still no 9.1 (I doubt it's my antenna, since I had reception before for months, now no reception for over a month), and now 13.1 displays channel programming for tomorrow instead of today (at least they starting displaying SOME info). Any hope for a time signal that matches among the channels?
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Still same channel 5 problem, still no 9.1 (I doubt it's my antenna, since I had reception before for months, now no reception for over a month), and now 13.1 displays channel programming for tomorrow instead of today (at least they starting displaying SOME info). Any hope for a time signal that matches among the channels?
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