Go Back   HawaiiThreads.com > Ka Nohona > Route 808
FAQ Members List Social Groups Calendar Search Search Latest Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old December 10th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Star of Gladness Star of Gladness is offline
Kia`aina
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
JO racks up another dubious distinction this year: "Worst CEO of the year".
Miulang
Wow! Herb Greenberg just decimates Ornstein! You MUST watch the video here.

Factoid; No CEO has ever retained their position as for much longer after winning herb Greenbergs "Worst CEO" award.

All of Wall Street's entire financial community has ostracized this company and the SEC and DOT are most likely launching investigations as we speak.

I also saw in todays paper that go! has started quoting Mark Dunkerly in their ads. Do they really want to go there? Hawaiian should start quoting JO in the newspaper next! Hawaiian could also remind everybody in Hawaii how they like to use company computers to look at porn and sue Aloha pilots and pick on girls.

Heres a few gems from the Mesa Airline Lies blog
"We're not just going out there to be stupid," said Mesa Chief Executive Jonathan Ornstein.

Jonathan Ornstein said Aloha's demise would clearly be good for business...

"We can fly planes empty and cover it. The Hawaii operation costs about $20 million to $25 million a year -- we can lose that much money. We can cover it."

Jonathan Ornstein says his subsidiary go! will keep flying between the Hawaiian islands. Why? Because, he says, "It's a shame to let the bad guys win."

Mesa's Chief Executive Officer, stated: "Our policy is to comply with only the highest ethical standards of conduct

(highest ethical standards=they delete all their porn)

"Frankly, I always view lawsuits as negative energy, and a lot of time spent on lawyers' pay with very little good coming out of them."
(before he sued Mike Uslan and Holly Hegemann)Maybe we could help out Hawaiian and start a poll? Which quote is the best or submit another JO quote.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old December 19th, 2007, 12:04 PM
joshuatree joshuatree is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,824
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

AQ has a net loss of $15.8 million in the 3rd quarter, a total of 16 consecutive quarters of losing money. Only $28.8 million cash on hand left. Are we looking at bankruptcy again?
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old December 21st, 2007, 01:22 PM
joshuatree joshuatree is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,824
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Looks like Mesa's venture in China won't be using any more CRJ-200s. They put in an order for 100 ARJ21s which is a Chinese developed plane. Wonder how much each plane is?
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old December 21st, 2007, 05:34 PM
Star of Gladness Star of Gladness is offline
Kia`aina
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
Looks like Mesa's venture in China won't be using any more CRJ-200s. They put in an order for 100 ARJ21s which is a Chinese developed plane. Wonder how much each plane is?
Whats the Chinese word for boondoggle?
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old December 21st, 2007, 05:43 PM
joshuatree joshuatree is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,824
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Star of Gladness View Post
Whats the Chinese word for boondoggle?
Care to expand on the thought?
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old December 24th, 2007, 01:20 PM
GeckoGeek's Avatar
GeckoGeek GeckoGeek is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 3,043
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
Looks like Mesa's venture in China won't be using any more CRJ-200s. They put in an order for 100 ARJ21s which is a Chinese developed plane.
I wonder if that's a requirement made of the Chinese government. One of the reasons that so much manufacturing is now done in China is the Chinese government told all concerned that if they wanted to sell goods in China, they had to make said goods in China. Now what exec is going to turn his back on selling to one-quarter of the earth's population?

Bottom line, Mesa may not have had a choice in the matter.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old January 2nd, 2008, 10:39 PM
Miulang Miulang is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,759
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

More financial woes for Mesa. They have abruptly suspended service to 12 communities as of Dec. 31 (including Albuquerque) and are trying to sell off one of their subsidiaries, Midwest Air, due to large losses in the essential services sector. Wonder what's going to happen with go!Express (Mokulele) if they get out of the essential air services business?

Quote:
Mesa Air Group is seeking a buyer for its unprofitable Wichita-based Air Midwest operations or for the division's fleet of Wichita-built Beech 1900D aircraft.

'We're continuing to pursue strategic options,' company spokesman Brian Gillman said Friday. He said the company is 'entertaining offers and pursuing strategies to sell all or a piece of the business.'

Air Midwest has lost money for the past several years, Gillman said. Operating the 19-seat aircraft became more expensive after the set of regulations the planes operated under changed, driving up costs.

Air Midwest, which does business as Mesa Airlines, operates 20 Beech 1900D aircraft primarily in the Midwest and in Arizona.

It primarily services federally subsidized markets under the government's essential air service program, including smaller Kansas communities. The program compensates airlines for serving underserved areas.

'The essential air service payment has not kept up with the cost of operating the aircraft,' Gillman said.

The company continues to serve the markets, including those in Kansas. No decisions have been made about the Kansas markets, Gillman said.
Miulang
__________________
"Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like. --Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old January 2nd, 2008, 10:47 PM
LikaNui's Avatar
LikaNui LikaNui is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Smokin' in da windward crib
Posts: 6,721
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
Wonder what's going to happen with go!Express (Mokulele) if they get out of the essential air services business?
Oh, that's easy. More people will ride the SuperFerry!!!
__________________
.
.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old January 3rd, 2008, 03:08 AM
mel's Avatar
mel mel is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii USA
Posts: 5,237
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

None of the commuter airlines in Hawaii get the Essential Air Services subsidy. This happened after Pacific Wings voluntarily pulled out of the subsidy program after it learned that Go was to enter the same market.

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...1nonalaska.htm

And from this article last year:

Quote:
Pacific Wings, which has been provided EAS subsidies over the last decade for service to Hana on Maui, Kamuela on the Big Island and to Kalaupapa, Molokai, will voluntarily give up the subsidies later this year when its contract ends, because it believes it can fly those routes profitably without subsidies.
__________________
I'm still here. Are you?
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old January 3rd, 2008, 11:01 AM
joshuatree joshuatree is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,824
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
More financial woes for Mesa. They have abruptly suspended service to 12 communities as of Dec. 31 (including Albuquerque) and are trying to sell off one of their subsidiaries, Midwest Air, due to large losses in the essential services sector. Wonder what's going to happen with go!Express (Mokulele) if they get out of the essential air services business?
I fail to see how Mesa's financial woes will impact go!Express (Mokulele)? Aren't they indepedently owned by Boyer Industries LLC and only have a code share/marketing agreement?
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old January 4th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Miulang Miulang is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,759
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Mesa's closing stock price today= $2.70; NASDAQ warned the company today that it risks being delisted. Not a good sign at all.

Quote:
Mesa Air Group, parent company of go! interisland airline, has received notice from Nasdaq that it risks delisting for failing to file its 10-K, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission Friday.

Mesa (NASDAQ: MESA) failed to file its 10-K for the fiscal year ended Sept. 30. The company announced last week that it had delayed the filing until Jan. 15.

Mesa said it plans to request a hearing before a Nasdaq listing qualifications panel.

The company said that it expects to meet the projected filing date, which will precede its hearing.
Miulang
__________________
"Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like. --Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old January 30th, 2008, 05:03 PM
joshuatree joshuatree is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,824
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Mesa stock at $3.29 closing today. That's a 20% gain since earlier in the month. Woulda been a nice quick flip.

On other news, Aloha signed with Mokulele Airlines to deliver cargo to Molokai, Lanai, and West Maui as Aloha Air Cargo Express.. Isn't Mokulele also go! Express?
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old January 30th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Miulang Miulang is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,759
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
Mesa stock at $3.29 closing today. That's a 20% gain since earlier in the month. Woulda been a nice quick flip.

On other news, Aloha signed with Mokulele Airlines to deliver cargo to Molokai, Lanai, and West Maui as Aloha Air Cargo Express.. Isn't Mokulele also go! Express?
They also operate a Kapalua express (2 planes painted with the Kapalua butterfly logo). Guess they know not to put all their eggs in go!s basket.
__________________
"Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like. --Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old February 19th, 2008, 03:44 AM
Star of Gladness Star of Gladness is offline
Kia`aina
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Default FAA Opens Investigation on Go! Airlines

FAA Opens Investigation on Go! Airlines

Yet another reason not to fly on go!

For the same price i'd rather have well rested pilots.

go! Airlines sucks!
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old February 19th, 2008, 04:20 AM
shaveice's Avatar
shaveice shaveice is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,671
Default Re: FAA Opens Investigation on Go! Airlines

yeah, watched the report on the news tonight and i can't imagine the pilots being able to make up a plausible explanation!
__________________
525,600 minutes, 525,000 moments so dear. 525,600 minutes - how do you measure, measure a year?
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old February 19th, 2008, 12:56 PM
oggboy's Avatar
oggboy oggboy is offline
Kumu
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: kahului
Posts: 517
Default Re: FAA Opens Investigation on Go! Airlines

Ladies and Gentlemen, we will be landing at Hilo Int`l Airport as soon as I awaken our pilots from there nap, Mahalo!.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old February 19th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Pomai's Avatar
Pomai Pomai is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Honolulu
Posts: 3,596
Default Re: FAA Opens Investigation on Go! Airlines

Captain to co-pilot "Hey John, you think anyone would notice if I make a stop at LAX to pick my wife up?"
__________________
The Tasty Island
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old February 19th, 2008, 01:09 PM
tutusue's Avatar
tutusue tutusue is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Wah-key'-key
Posts: 10,390
Default Re: FAA Opens Investigation on Go! Airlines

"I'm flying.
(Flying, flying, flying)
Heading far out of sight
Second star to the right
Now the way is clear
Never Land is near
Follow all the air
Cause I'm about to disappear
I'm flying!"


(compliments of the Peter Pan soundtrack!)
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old February 20th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Star of Gladness Star of Gladness is offline
Kia`aina
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 5

Everybody thinks this is really funny but how much fuel do you think an inter-island flight carries? Especially a MESA Airlines inter-island flight? If they slept for another 15 minutes this would have been a much different story.

FAA regs are to carry enough fuel to reach the destination plus 30 minutes extra that's it. You can be sure Mesa doesn't give those poor pilots a drop more than minimum!
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old February 20th, 2008, 04:23 PM
joshuatree joshuatree is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,824
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 5

Quote:
Originally Posted by Star of Gladness View Post
Everybody thinks this is really funny but how much fuel do you think an inter-island flight carries? Especially a MESA Airlines inter-island flight? If they slept for another 15 minutes this would have been a much different story.

FAA regs are to carry enough fuel to reach the destination plus 30 minutes extra that's it. You can be sure Mesa doesn't give those poor pilots a drop more than minimum!
Well, considering they are inter-island flights with short hop segments, I think it be more than the HNL-ITO stage length plus 30 min. Because I don't think the planes refuel after every hop. A CRJ-200 has a range of ~1800 miles. Are you saying each go! plane takes off with less than a quarter tank each time? That would seem to be more costly to pay for fueling services each time on the ground.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old February 20th, 2008, 05:29 PM
Star of Gladness Star of Gladness is offline
Kia`aina
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 5

Quote:
Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
Well, considering they are inter-island flights with short hop segments, I think it be more than the HNL-ITO stage length plus 30 min. Because I don't think the planes refuel after every hop. A CRJ-200 has a range of ~1800 miles. Are you saying each go! plane takes off with less than a quarter tank each time? That would seem to be more costly to pay for fueling services each time on the ground.
Thats exactly what happens at every airline. Flying all over the place with makes the airplane much heavier and burns way more fuel so they make the airplane as light as possible for each trip.

More room for your extra bag this way also.
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old February 20th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Miulang Miulang is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 8,759
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 5

Take a quick look at who's been buying Mesa stock recently. Seems like the Board of Directors is buying stock at bargain basement rates. Is that what's keeping this stock from tanking completely?

Also noticed that one multibillionaire and hedge fund guru George Soros had a modest investment in Mesa stock for awhile but liquidated his holdings completely in December of last year...just about the time that Mesa stock really started heading south. Hmmmm...wonder what the future holds for Mesa now?

http://www.gurufocus.com/InsiderBuy....min=100#double
__________________
"Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like. --Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old February 21st, 2008, 05:27 AM
GeckoGeek's Avatar
GeckoGeek GeckoGeek is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 3,043
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 5

Quote:
Originally Posted by Star of Gladness View Post
Everybody thinks this is really funny but how much fuel do you think an inter-island flight carries? Especially a MESA Airlines inter-island flight? If they slept for another 15 minutes this would have been a much different story.
If they're like the other airlines, they carry enough fuel for the return trip. They don't normally fuel except in HNL. Probably a cost issue since all fuel has to come from Oahu anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old February 21st, 2008, 02:37 PM
oggboy's Avatar
oggboy oggboy is offline
Kumu
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: kahului
Posts: 517
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 5

KGMB News reports that another go! flight #15 from KOA to HNL had a communication black out the day before the Hilo flt incident. go! figure!!!
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old February 22nd, 2008, 08:13 PM
acousticlady's Avatar
acousticlady acousticlady is offline
Kumu
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Kihei -currently away at school in NY
Posts: 734
Default Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 5

The sleeping go! pilot (or communications blackout....) made national news - last night. So much for up to date - as it happens - news
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
airlines, life in hawaii, transportation, travel

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

  Partner Sites: Hawaii Blog Hawaii News Hawaii Grinds Hawaii Social Media  
    Blogging the Aloha State. The Hawaii Star. Hawaii Food Blog. The story of Aloha 2.0.