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Old March 27th, 2009, 04:20 AM
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I've just finished watching Showtime's "The Tudors." I enjoyed it immensely.
I have the last DVD of season #2 to watch this weekend. If anyone has any interest in history, this series would be interesting. It's not totally historically accurate but it's really well done - photography, costumes and acting. I'm looking forward to season #3 which starts in a couple of weeks.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 12:22 PM
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"China Beach." Shot in Hawaii from 1988 to 1991
It was? I don't remember that. "Tour of Duty" was originally shot in Hawaii for at least one season, but then moved to - I think - Hollywood. They have released a DVD set.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 05:55 PM
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It was? I don't remember that.
IMDB lists over 1100 films and individual TV episodes that were filed on location in Hawai`i.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 07:39 PM
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Maybe I missed seeing it, but I don't believe anyone mentioned "China Beach." Shot in Hawaii from 1988 to 1991, this Viet Nam era drama really made an impact on me. Still not on DVD, I've even gone on sites to petition for its DVD release. No word if it is forthcoming, and the copies out for sale now are poor bootlegs.

This show introduced many of us to the acting talents of Dana Delaney and Marg Helgenberger, among many others.
Among many others, definitely. Robert Picardo, Concetta Tomei, and Ricki Lake were some of my favorites. Although Delany's character (McMurphy)was the central figure, it was truly an ensemble cast that made China Beach so memorable.

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Maybe the whole Viet Nam War era is an unpopular memory to many of the older generation,
It's not the topicality that's the issue here. China Beach faces the same problem as the Wonder Years getting officially released on DVD. Paying for the music rights. Nearly every episode of China Beach featured numerous hit songs from the late 1960s/early '70s time period. Years ago, there was a China Beach soundtrack CD that featured tracks from John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Marvin Gaye, etc. (Not to mention the opening theme song, "Reflections" by the Supremes.) Now the music on that CD was just the tip of the iceberg, compared to the scores of songs that were used on the show. Warner Brothers apparently feels that whatever sales they are able to get from a China Beach DVD release will not justify the expenditure of repurchasing the rights to re-use the songs. Looking at it from a botton line perspective, it's hard to argue with their beancounters. The show, while critically acclaimed, was not a ratings success when it was being aired on ABC. And it's hard to say with a straight face that China Beach will be a raving success on the home video market 20 years later.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 07:42 PM
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It's not the topicality that's the issue here. China Beach faces the same problem as the Wonder Years getting officially released on DVD. Paying for the music rights. Nearly every episode of China Beach featured numerous hit songs from the late 1960s/early '70s time period. Years ago, there was a China Beach soundtrack CD that featured tracks from John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Marvin Gaye, etc. (Not to mention the opening theme song, "Reflections" by the Supremes.) Now the music on that CD was just the tip of the iceberg, compared to the scores of songs that were used on the show. Warner Brothers apparently feels that whatever sales they are able to get from a China Beach DVD release will not justify the expenditure of repurchasing the rights to re-use the songs. Looking at it from a botton line perspective, it's hard to argue with their beancounters. The show, while critically acclaimed, was not a ratings success when it was being aired on ABC. And it's hard to say with a straight face that China Beach will be a raving success on the home video market 20 years later.
Bingo. That's why it took so long to release WKRP on DVD (and why several of the songs in it were replaced before release, as was also the case with Northern Exposure).
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Old March 28th, 2009, 12:54 AM
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I liked China Beach even if it was emotionally draining watching an episode. I remember a local actress was in the series for a few episodes. She might have been a former Miss Hawaii. I don't see her name in the regular cast in Wikipedia.
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"China Beach" was a great show and it is too bad the music rights issue has long delayed this series release to DVD.

Another series that was impacted by music rights issue is "Crime Story" (a hard hitting Michael Mann series from the mid 1980s about cops and crime lords in the early 1960s). They used a lot of old rock n roll songs from the 50s and early 60s to fill the soundtrack. Some songs did not appear on early episodes of the season 1 DVDs. For some reason music that appeared in the later episodes are included on the DVD. Strange those music rights issues.
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Old March 28th, 2009, 03:44 PM
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For some reason music that appeared in the later episodes are included on the DVD. Strange those music rights issues.
Well, if a company has to negotiate with numerous publishers, it's not altogether surprising. Some parties will be more amenable to dealing than others.

It really is a pity. Programs like Happy Days, the Wonder Years, and China Beach worked really hard to be authentic to the times they were trying to recreate. Part of what added to the atmosphere was the music. Now when they were first-run network shows, the budget was there to readily purchase the music rights. And in many cases, those original deals covered a round or two of syndication. Then the music rights were allowed to lapse. Nobody at the studios dreamed that 20 years down the road, there would be a demand for complete seasons on DVD.

I wonder if there's going to be an artistic consequence resulting from all this. For instance, will producers of new TV shows thinking of the DVD market alter their soundtrack choices to use generic music or only utilizing selections owned by one particular publisher?
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Old March 28th, 2009, 04:32 PM
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I wonder if there's going to be an artistic consequence resulting from all this. For instance, will producers of new TV shows thinking of the DVD market alter their soundtrack choices to use generic music or only utilizing selections owned by one particular publisher?
These days, when negotiating the rights to use music in a TV episode, it is standard procedure to include language that covers licensing for home-video release, be it tape, DVD, online, on-demand, etc. Just a bit more in the fees, part of the cost of doing business; it doesn't enter into the producer's or director's mind any more than it did before; it's the music supervisor who does the work, tracks the material, makes the recommendations, etc.
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I've got a friend in another forum who was part of a cover band that re-did the songs for home video release. I forget which movies.
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One of my favorites in 1964 was The Rogues. I remember watching repeats at midnight of it around 1977-9 on local TV.

The Rogues was an American television series that appeared on NBC from September 13, 1964 to April 18, 1965, starring David Niven, Charles Boyer, and Gig Young as a related trio of former conmen who could, for the right price, be persuaded to trick a very wealthy and very unscrupulous mark.

The extremely well-acted show won the 1964 Golden Globe award for Best Television Series. Although fondly remembered, the show was cancelled after one season.
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Another one season series from NBC is Search which was aired in 1972.
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Was there any tv series that lasted one year, and also won the Emmy for best tv series?
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Old March 29th, 2009, 01:52 AM
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Was there any tv series that lasted one year, and also won the Emmy for best tv series?
Bob Newhart's 1961/62 variety show won an Emmy (Outstanding Program Achievement in the Field of Humor) and a Peabody Award, but was canceled after one season on NBC.
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The Julie Andrews Hour (1972-73) was cancelled by ABC after only one year. Despite its brief existence, it won 7 Emmy awards, including that of Best Variety Show.
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I'm trying to remember the actor who told the network executives to shove it after winning an Emmy award. He was upset because his series was cancelled. I wonder if he ever worked again.
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The only TV show I ever found worth keeping on DVD was the HBO series "Carnivale."

VERY addictive, impressive and entrancing!

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"Like a cross between TWIN PEAKS and THE GRAPES OF WRATH, HBO's acclaimed television drama CARNIVALE sets an allegorical fable about the mythic battle between good and evil against the surreal backdrop of a Depression-era traveling circus. Having lost both his farm and his mother to the 1930s Dust Bowl, prison escapee Ben Hawkins (Nick Stahl, IN THE BEDROOM) joins an itinerant carnival in a desperate bid to escape poverty, the police, and his own discomfort with his miraculous healing powers."

It ran for 3 seasons, then HBO cancelled it, which angered fans across the globe.

Produced by Daniel Knauf, all 3 seasons available on DVD.
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I'm trying to remember the actor who told the network executives to shove it after winning an Emmy award. He was upset because his series was cancelled. I wonder if he ever worked again.
You're probably talking about Judd Hirsch, who didn't exactly tell the network officials to shove it. Rather, he used his award to make the point that Taxi was an excellent program and that it didn't make sense for the network to cancel it. As for whether or not he ever worked again, that's kinda obvious.
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These days, when negotiating the rights to use music in a TV episode, it is standard procedure to include language that covers licensing for home-video release, be it tape, DVD, online, on-demand, etc. Just a bit more in the fees, part of the cost of doing business; it doesn't enter into the producer's or director's mind any more than it did before; it's the music supervisor who does the work, tracks the material, makes the recommendations, etc.
Your explanation sounded plausible,... until you mentioned the music supervisor. It may be the job of the supervisor to fit and edit the music into the TV show. But if a producer on a tight budget tells the music supervisor to make due with generic sounding surf music rather than using actual hit recordings from the likes of the Beach Boys or Jan & Dean, then the supervisor has to go along with that decision. Otherwise, where will the $$$$ come from?

And despite what you say about music fees costing "just a bit more," there are still some currently running TV series where a DVD release has been held up due to music licensing issues. One example is Heartbeat, the UK TV series which liberally utilizes 1960s songs. (Even the recent seasons have yet to appear on DVD.) Although it has been a long-running series, no one thinks that Heartbeat would ever come close to selling in the same numbers as The Simpsons or That '70s Show. If you ask me, it appears that DVD sales potential does play a role in whether "costly" original music is used on a home video release or not. And it holds true, whether we are talking about a show that is 40 years old or one that is still running.
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You're probably talking about Judd Hirsch, who didn't exactly tell the network officials to shove it. Rather, he used his award to make the point that Taxi was an excellent program and that it didn't make sense for the network to cancel it. As for whether or not he ever worked again, that's kinda obvious.
It is true that Judd Hirsch won the best actor Emmy after Taxi was cancelled by NBC. But the show ran on ABC for four seasons before that. So it would be very misleading to refer to Taxi as being a "one season show."
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It may be the job of the supervisor to fit and edit the music into the TV show. But if a producer on a tight budget tells the music supervisor to make due with generic sounding surf music rather than using actual hit recordings from the likes of the Beach Boys or Jan & Dean, then the supervisor has to go along with that decision.
Having actually been Music Supervisor for film and television projects, I can tell you that this is a severely incomplete description.
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You're probably talking about Judd Hirsch, who didn't exactly tell the network officials to shove it. Rather, he used his award to make the point that Taxi was an excellent program and that it didn't make sense for the network to cancel it. As for whether or not he ever worked again, that's kinda obvious.
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It is true that Judd Hirsch won the best actor Emmy after Taxi was cancelled by NBC. But the show ran on ABC for four seasons before that. So it would be very misleading to refer to Taxi as being a "one season show."
F.M. - where did W.B. or Scriv say that they were now discussing a "one season show" in reference to Judd Hirsch or Taxi? That was a different post altogether from W.B. If you're feeling feistily argumentative (which I've noticed is your standard m.o.), please try not to mix up or combine posts, automatically assuming they are related to one another, just because they are in the same thread and by the same poster.
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Having actually been Music Supervisor for film and television projects, I can tell you that this is a severely incomplete description.
Well, it wasn't the purpose of my post to write a "complete" job description of what a TV/film music supervisor does. (Neither did I intend to provide a "complete" job description for a producer, for that matter.) Getting into an in-depth description of everything that a music supervisor does would involve talking about a lot of things that have little to do with DVD releases of TV shows, which is what this thread is primarily supposed to be about.

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F.M. - where did W.B. or Scriv say that they were now discussing a "one season show" in reference to Judd Hirsch or Taxi? That was a different post altogether from W.B.
Maybe, although WB (not you) would have to answer if he was, in fact, talking about two seperate topics on posts #138 and #141.

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I don't think I'm being "feistily argumentative," anymore than you are. I do notice that you hold strong opinions on certain matters. I may not agree with all of them, but I respect your beliefs. Hey, if what I thought you had to say was pure and utter garbage, I wouldn't even bother getting into a debate and discussion with you.
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Maybe, although WB (not you) would have to answer if he was, in fact, talking about two seperate topics on posts #138 and #141.
The thought came in mind when remembering that an Emmy award winner was angry when making his speech.
Is it necessary to keep creating new threads with a slightly different subject when the old one will do?
Judd Hirsch is currently on the tv series Numb3ers. I can't think of any other tv series he was on since Taxi.
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