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Old March 24th, 2007, 09:04 AM
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service, friendliness, efficiency, timing of the food, (did my main dish come five mins after my appetizer or was it spaced properly), drink refills.

I dont care how busy the restuarnt is, if you dont greet me within 5 mins of sitting down your tip start starts diminshing. if the drinks are not promptly refilled, tip goes down, if you set my apetizer down then five mins later bring me my dinner.... you bet Im talking to your boss, if the server is bitchy or snarky the tip goes down and I talk to your boss.

servers are trained to provide a great dining experience not just bring you your food , so if my experience is crap your tip is crap. do a good job your tip is excellent. I have even gone so far as to leave a note why their tip was so small. as well as speak to the manager.

oh an if you are new you should say so itll give you some leway with me.
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service, friendliness, efficiency, timing of the food, (did my main dish come five mins after my appetizer or was it spaced properly), drink refills.

I dont care how busy the restuarnt is, if you dont greet me within 5 mins of sitting down your tip start starts diminshing. if the drinks are not promptly refilled, tip goes down, if you set my apetizer down then five mins later bring me my dinner.... you bet Im talking to your boss, if the server is bitchy or snarky the tip goes down and I talk to your boss.

servers are trained to provide a great dining experience not just bring you your food , so if my experience is crap your tip is crap. do a good job your tip is excellent. I have even gone so far as to leave a note why their tip was so small. as well as speak to the manager.

oh an if you are new you should say so itll give you some leway with me.

wow. let's hope that you don't have to "talk to the boss" too often or unnecessarily or that your standards are unilateral.

i mean, it's stupid to hold a server at denny's to the same appetizer-meal serving time spacing guidelines as a server at, let's say, thomas kemper's bouchon in vegas or even la mer here in honolulu. that's like expecting someone who only had an eighth grade education and had to learn english as a second language to have the same level of writing skills and be as conversant in shakespeare as another who went to the stanford and had an english professor as a parent.

if you bitch to the manager of the front of the house about not getting the magically self-refilling water glass effect when the restaurant is slammed and everyone on the floor was busting their asses, the manager will, of course, apologize profusely to you. but she or he will think you're a hag for it, and will tell the staff to shrug off your criticisms. restaurant staff have long memories, and just as much as you are unforgiving about your expectations, they will happily seek retribution the moment you walk through the restaurant door. even if you don't sit at the section of the server about whom you last "talked to the manager" or for whom you left a pittance of a crap tip, do not think for a millisecond that they are not in a position to give you some "extra flavor."
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I have to ask, why? At what point where this becomes ridiculous? What about the delivery guy who trucks in the coffee beans and cups? You don't think paying more than $3 for a Tall is more than enough compensation? At the end of the day, it's your money and who am I to say what you can do with it. But it just feels like setting up a lot of bad precedence. Soon, I won't be able to even ask for extra napkins at a fast food joint without tipping.
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Makes me wonder do the waiters and chefs that prepares YOUR food really do as what is seen in this movie?





It's the scene where the difficult woman and Ryan Reynolds steps in to assist.



And yes as the original threader chimes back in....... Regardless of Dennys or a 5 Star Eating Establishment a tip is ALWAYS based on service received.
I seen coworkers actually spit a luggie on a difficult customer's salad and cover it with bleu cheese dressing....be nice always! BTW...you actually watched a Dane Cook movie?
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I actually liked Waiting...one of those movies you can watch, be kind of entertained, and doesn't require any real brain activity. Not to mention, I could relate to a good portion of it and it has its cringe (like gross eww or in some cases omg ouch omggg) moments.
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BTW...you actually watched a Dane Cook movie?



who?


Reasons why I saw "Waiting"

1. A "What If" Look at the life of characters at a Resturaunt Establishment
2. The movie had actors Ryan Reynolds, Ana Faris & Justin Long



no sorry, Dane was not on my list of reasons why I saw this movie.
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How much do you tip a sushi chef is you are sitting at the bar?
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I've known too many servers personally. I know they get poor salaries (in general), and their employers drive them to rely on tips to supplement those salaries. This, in turn, is supposed to motivate them to please the customers with exceptional service so that they get exceptional tips.

High-end restaurants, however, are an exception to the 15% standard. I'm not going to tip someone more than what would amount to a reasonable salary for a half-hour of attention.

So are fast-food restaurants an exception. What service? I resent places like McDonalds and Subway leaving out tip Jars.

The average restaurant, where a server works for you, helping you make choices, telling you what to avoid, paying attention rather than gossiping in the kitchen... I believe they deserve a tip.

I tip 15% for very good service and 20% for exceptional service. For poor service, I leave a small tip, like a dollar: that tells them I didn't forget, but I was NOT impressed.

If I have a $500 dinner bill with exceptional service I'd hardly leave $100! Maybe $20 or $25. Unless it was for a party of 10, in which case the server earned the $100.

You have to consider the overall cost vs. the number in the party vs. the quality of the service.

People like the guy Frankie mentioned - ultra rich who can afford to go to expensive restaurants for 'social/economical experiments,' who can afford a tip and leave nothing out of spite, impress me as just being arrogant and greedy. I wouldn't be surprised if the servers didn't give them good service because they knew there would be no pay-back.

A tip is a reward for good to exceptional service; restaurants which automatically add tips are off my list.

In Hawaii, because some travelers/tourists are unaware of American tipping customs, reminders are appropriate, but guidelines should be included as well.

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I know a bartender who gets no hourly rate...just tips. I don't think that's legal but she's not willing to blow the whistle because she makes great tips. That said, I believe wait staff can legally work for under minimum wage due to the tips they're required to report. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

With the exception of the last example the others can make decent money. FAs are unionize, iirc. I do tip the bag boy/girl if I need them to help me to the car.
FWIW, baggers at the Military Commissaries on the island work SOLELY for tips - no salaries! And there's no lack of baggers to work there - they must do pretty well. Some days they are in lines waiting their turn to bag.

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People like the guy Frankie mentioned - ultra rich who can afford to go to expensive restaurants for 'social/economical experiments,' who can afford a tip and leave nothing out of spite, impress me as just being arrogant and greedy.
Agreed - what a cheap-@$$ bastard this guy is. The most important part of his "editorial" is where he says:
"It is an American custom to pay a decent salary to staff ..."
Clearly, his experiences as a (failed-)airline founder give him no sense of reality about the restaurant business. Wait-staff in America are not only rarely paid a "decent salary," they are even taxed on their tips - whether they get them or not.

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I tip 15% for very good service and 20% for exceptional service...If I have a $500 dinner bill with exceptional service I'd hardly leave $100! Maybe $20 or $25. Unless it was for a party of 10, in which case the server earned the $100.
On the one hand, you say you tip 15-20%, yet you'd only tip $25 on a $500 dinner bill with (as you said) exceptional service? FIVE percent?!? Ouch. Remind me not to sit next to you, as I don't want to get splashed when the plate of hot food gets "accidentally" dropped on your head.

Granted, I don't go out for $500 dinner bills in my life, but have certainly taken friends out for dinners that hit around $200 or so. In those cases, I would take them to places that are among my favorites - and I can guarantee that, unlike Mr. Mancassola's belief, they are NOT owned by a multi-million dollar corporation.

And, having established enduring relationships with those restaurants and the families that operate them, I would not hesitate to add a 30% tip or more to the bill, depending upon how the evening went.

May I never experience a meal in Mr. Mancassola's presence; I doubt I'd be able to keep the meal down in such disgusting company.
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but have certainly taken friends out for dinners that hit around $200 or so. In those cases, I would take them to places that are among my favorites.
Great! I'll be up in your area soon, looking forward to that dinner. I like all cuisines and I'm a matapule size eater. But I'll ask for the "senior discount" to ease the tab for you a bit. .

Out of curiosity, do people tip their barber, dry cleaner, dental hygenist, trash collector, electric meter reader in the islands? Here in Mexico it is customary for the locals to tip the grocery baggers (about 25 to 50 cents) and guy who pumps your gas (about 80 to 160 cents) because there is no self service in Mexico. (By the way, 87 octane in Mexico is about $2.70 a gallon right now.) However Costco in Mexico requires that their baggers not accept tips but they get paid much more than the local grocery clerks.

Like Senor Mancassola, I usually don't tip on the size of the tab but on the quality of the service. The people at Subway deserve to earn just as much as the servers at Roy's.

We (four of us) had a wonderful time at Maria Coronas Restaurant last night - great food, great service, great ambience, and great live music (muy romantico!) - resulting in a more than fair 20% tip. We left the latin romantic trio, Los Principes, a separate, VERY generous tip. They need to cut a CD and I told them so.
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Great! I'll be up in your area soon, looking forward to that dinner. I like all cuisines and I'm a matapule size eater. But I'll ask for the "senior discount" to ease the tab for you a bit. .
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But, Kaonohi, you surprise me with:On the one hand, you say you tip 15-20%, yet you'd only tip $25 on a $500 dinner bill with (as you said) exceptional service? FIVE percent?!? Ouch. Remind me not to sit next to you, as I don't want to get splashed when the plate of hot food gets "accidentally" dropped on your head.
For my XXth birthday I went with my spouse and my best friend and his wife to Michel's to celebrate me living so long.
The food was OK, not exceptional, the performance with the flambe was spectacular, our seating was adequate but a bit tight, and our wait staff was attentive and caring.
Yet in spite of all that I didn't feel the tip was worth $130. That's a lot of cash for less than an hour's attention, and he tended others as well. I just couldn't justify that much.
I don't recall exactly what I tipped, but it was way more than $25.

Maybe my earlier estimate was way too cheap, but I do believe that when the food is overpriced (due to reputation, setting, etc) that the tip should reflect the services rendered rather than the dollars spent.

Should I tip more for a $200 wine than a $20 wine? In some cases perhaps (like when he/she says "I saved the last one cause I knew you were coming..."), but a cork is a cork.

If we do dine out together, Leo, and you think I'm being too cheap, an elbow to the ribs or a kick under the table might get me to pay closer attention and reconsider.
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But, Kaonohi, you surprise me with:On the one hand, you say you tip 15-20%, yet you'd only tip $25 on a $500 dinner bill with (as you said) exceptional service? FIVE percent?!?

I ask this question not to be sarcastic but out of genuine curiosity. Does the person serving a $500 meal really work that much more than the person serving a $100 meal? I guess the percentage method doesn't really make sense to me as far as tips. Say I go to a restaurant and order a $10 hamburger, and you go to the same restaurant and order a $20 steak. We both have the same waitress, we both have the same amount of food to be served and yet you tip her more than I do. Why? Because the meal cost more? How does that affect her? I've never worked in a restaurant so I don't know how it works.
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Out of curiosity, do people tip their barber, dry cleaner, dental hygenist, trash collector, electric meter reader in the islands?
I thought only a made man will tip everybody who gives him some kind of service.
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If we do dine out together, Leo...
An opportunity to which I look forward. Come to my town and it's on my tab. Maybe Matapule could join you - I wager the three of us would have a fantastic time (ok, four of us, since the Alpha Female would be along - and yours as well, perhaps?)

A note to a lot of folks - please remember that tips don't always go exclusively to the wait-person who most served you; they often split them with the person who brought you refills of your water, the one who cleared and reset the table both before and after you dined there, etc. In a more expensive facility, there are likely even more unseen staff assisting with your service, even though you may only get one "public" face.
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I ask this question not to be sarcastic but out of genuine curiosity. Does the person serving a $500 meal really work that much more than the person serving a $100 meal? I guess the percentage method doesn't really make sense to me as far as tips. Say I go to a restaurant and order a $10 hamburger, and you go to the same restaurant and order a $20 steak. We both have the same waitress, we both have the same amount of food to be served and yet you tip her more than I do. Why? Because the meal cost more? How does that affect her? I've never worked in a restaurant so I don't know how it works.
Those are all good questions. This website offers the easy-to-understand explanation on how restaurant tip income is supposed to be reported.

Note that in all restaurants where tipping is customary, the owner is required to report total receipts to the IRS, as well as the total tip income as reported by each of the employees. Now whenever the tip income reported is less than 8% of the total receipt (not including nonallocable receipts, such as those for carry out sales), then the owner must allocate the difference between the actual tip income reported and 8% of the gross receipts.

So.... this is why the tip amount is tied into the total bill that you pay for your meal. If you undertip or totally stiff your server, that poor employee is still required to pay tax on whatever allocated tip income is reported for that server, even if he/she never received that tip from you. In effect, you as a customer are taking money away from the affected employee(s).

Now, we can debate the issue of whether this system of taxing tips is good or not. But if anyone has a beef about it, that should rightfully be taken up with that person's Congressman or Senator. In the meantime, restaurant employees have no choice but to work under this system and abide by the current laws. Now, it's one thing to give a small tip for receiving poor service. But a customer who undertips as a personal response against what they think is a bad system unfairly punishes the server who is doing a good job.

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On the one hand, you say you tip 15-20%, yet you'd only tip $25 on a $500 dinner bill with (as you said) exceptional service? FIVE percent?!? Ouch.
You can say that again. Grossly undertipping a server after they performed a good job for a customer is not doing them any favors. In fact, for a large tab like that, the poor waiter would have been better off had that particular customer not come in to run up the tax he will owe in allocated tip income.

This is my personal viewpoint on the matter. If I'm going to patronize a fine dining eatery, an appropriate tip is something that I figure into the cost of dining out and receiving good service. And like it or not, the appropriate tip amount is tied into the total bill. If I thought that paying 15% tip for a dining experience at Wolfgang's Steakhouse was too much, then out of fairness to the employees at the restaurant, I wouldn't go there at all. Undertipping as a response to what you feel are outrageous menu prices is not hurting the restaurant owner. It's hurting the wait staff.

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Agreed - what a cheap-@$$ bastard this guy is. The most important part of his "editorial" is where he says:
"It is an American custom to pay a decent salary to staff ..."
Clearly, his experiences as a (failed-)airline founder give him no sense of reality about the restaurant business. Wait-staff in America are not only rarely paid a "decent salary," they are even taxed on their tips - whether they get them or not.
Franco Mancassola is entitled to his opinion. I just wished the SB would have printed his writing alongside a counterpoint commentary. Now, you're going to have those folks who are ignorant about IRS regulations thinking it's okay to stiff waiters, even if they do a good job.
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So.... this is why the tip amount is tied into the total bill that you pay for your meal. If you undertip or totally stiff your server, that poor employee is still required to pay tax on whatever allocated tip income is reported for that server, even if he/she never received that tip from you. In effect, you as a customer are taking money away from the affected employee(s).
15% per party is the allocated tip income for the server?

If so, that's tough. I'm sure not everyone tips property even for decent service.
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i always tip 20% percent regardless

10% for the cook (of course I would ask permission to make my way into the kitchen to tip the cook, if not i'll hand it to the waiter or waitress for the cook, with a warning that i will check with the manager or the cook to make absolutely sure they receives his/her 10% tip.

10% for the waitress

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An opportunity to which I look forward. Come to my town and it's on my tab. Maybe Matapule could join you - I wager the three of us would have a fantastic time (ok, four of us, since the Alpha Female would be along - and yours as well, perhaps?)
OK, let's see - I think Matapule is in Mexico, I'm in Kahalu`u, and you are in... シアトル? Not sure where that is, but I hope we can find some middle ground.... That looks like some sort of Kanji, so if it's Japan (Nippon), I won't even have to tip!

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and you are in... シアトル? Not sure where that is, but I hope we can find some middle ground....
Hah! It's "Seattle," actually. But I can let you know next time I'm in Kane`ohe, if that helps!
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So.... this is why the tip amount is tied into the total bill that you pay for your meal. If you undertip or totally stiff your server, that poor employee is still required to pay tax on whatever allocated tip income is reported for that server, even if he/she never received that tip from you. In effect, you as a customer are taking money away from the affected employee(s).

That was very enlightening, thank you. I never realized they were taxed in that manner.
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15% per party is the allocated tip income for the server?
I think for income tax purposes, it is 8% of the bill that is considered the minimum for the employee (ie waiter/waitress) to report as a tip. The employer is responsible to allocate 8% on their reporting forms.

Personally, I tip 15% for "usual and adequate" service, above that if great service, and below that if poor service.
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