Go Back   HawaiiThreads.com > Ka Nohona > Hawaii Hall
FAQ Members List Social Groups Calendar Search Search Latest Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old September 18th, 2010, 07:13 AM
helen's Avatar
helen helen is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 9,887
Default 2010 Primary Election Day

Today is the Primary Election Day for the State of Hawaii. The purpose of this thread is to relate your experience in the voting process, like were there any long lines in trying to cast your ballot, or were you affected by the closure of the 90 something polling places?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old September 18th, 2010, 04:05 PM
tutusue's Avatar
tutusue tutusue is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Wah-key'-key
Posts: 10,390
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

My experience was great...a ballot, a glass of wine and a no postage needed envelope!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old September 18th, 2010, 04:15 PM
matapule's Avatar
matapule matapule is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wherever I am, I'm there
Posts: 3,102
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Quote:
Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
a ballot, a glass of wine and a no postage needed envelope!
Tutu, you are my hero(ine)! You ain't gettin' older babe, you gettin' smarter!
__________________
Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old September 18th, 2010, 05:51 PM
tutusue's Avatar
tutusue tutusue is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Wah-key'-key
Posts: 10,390
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Not really, matapule! Some folks love the energy and experience of voting at the polls. Not me! I don't like waiting in lines and I feel rushed (my own doing) once in the booth so that I don't contribute to a longer line. Well, that...and the polling locations don't serve wine!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old September 18th, 2010, 05:54 PM
helen's Avatar
helen helen is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 9,887
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Normally I would have start off the day by going to the polls but I had scheduled a doctor's visit for this morning. So I got to Washington Middle School around 11am. Had two people in front of me for the signup. Did notice a line of 8 to 10 people waiting to put in their paper ballots into the machine, but that line was gone when I placed my ballot into it a few minutes later.

For me the process was kind of smooth.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old September 18th, 2010, 07:08 PM
anapuni808's Avatar
anapuni808 anapuni808 is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: No. California
Posts: 2,556
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

I voted by mail a couple of weeks ago - it was totally painless. My regular polling place is still open but was combined with another precinct so I had a feeling it would be really busy & I just didn't want to deal with it. I've now signed up for permanent absentee ballot status so I (hopefully) will never have to stand in line again.

Oh, and like TutuSue - being able to have a glass of wine with my voting duties was also an incentive
__________________
"Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be."
– Sydney J. Harris
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old September 18th, 2010, 07:27 PM
Kaonohi's Avatar
Kaonohi Kaonohi is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Kahalu`u Stream
Posts: 2,932
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

I voted in Windward Mall about a week ago - no lines, but no wine....
__________________
Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken!
~ ~
Kaʻonohiʻulaʻokahōkūmiomioʻehiku
Spreading the virus of ALOHA.
Oh Chu. If only you could have seen what I've seen, with your eyes.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old September 18th, 2010, 09:04 PM
pzarquon's Avatar
pzarquon pzarquon is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Honolulu, HI, USA
Posts: 7,307
Send a message via ICQ to pzarquon Send a message via AIM to pzarquon Send a message via MSN to pzarquon Send a message via Yahoo to pzarquon
Red face Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

I love absentee voting and look forward to all online or mail-in elections. On the other hand, there's nothing quite like going to a polling place and doing your civic duty among your neighbors. My wife and I bring our kids, talking about the election process on our walk to and from the polls, and try to instill in them an appreciation for a participatory democracy, flawed as it may often be.



In fact, as technology and access advances, the experience of going to a polling place may someday be only a distant memory.

Today they were whining because it rained on us on the way there. I told them that compared to other young democracies, we've got it easy when it comes to access to a voting booth.

So... what outlet will you be relying on, primarily, for reporting on the returns tonight?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old September 18th, 2010, 09:43 PM
anapuni808's Avatar
anapuni808 anapuni808 is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: No. California
Posts: 2,556
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

I'm going to be watching returns at home on tv - probably Ch. 9 because they should have Dan Boylan & Howard Dicus as commentators.
__________________
"Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be."
– Sydney J. Harris
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old September 18th, 2010, 10:10 PM
Leo Lakio Leo Lakio is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,558
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Quote:
Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
So... what outlet will you be relying on, primarily, for reporting on the returns tonight?
Likely HT. Not being in Hawai`i, it's been fascinating reading all the political threads and postings from you folks. I have no idea who I would have supported, were I there, but I feel that I have learned more background on candidates from you folks than from standard media outlets.

Ryan - thanks for helping your keiki understand some values of being responsible citizens.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old September 18th, 2010, 11:02 PM
matapule's Avatar
matapule matapule is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wherever I am, I'm there
Posts: 3,102
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Quote:
Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
My wife and I bring our kids, talking about the election process on our walk to and from the polls, and try to instill in them an appreciation for a participatory democracy, flawed as it may often be.
Now that's what I call highly developed parenting skills!

maalie, Ryan.
__________________
Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old September 18th, 2010, 11:37 PM
Honoruru Honoruru is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Honolulu
Posts: 902
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

I voted early this morning at Washington Intermediate. The same problem I experienced last election re-appeared there again. They had a problem getting the vote counting machine to work. There wasn’t much of a line getting in to vote, but there was a long line of people with ballot in hand waiting for the tech to figure out how to make it work. It took half an hour to get the machine to work properly. I’m amazed they haven’t resolved this issue by now.

I also thought the ballot was unnecessarily complicated. I could easily imagine someone invalidating the ballot. At the polling stations, the vote counting machine should detect an invalid ballot and you would have a chance to vote again, but that’s not the case with absentee ballots.

I'll probably watch the returns on Channel 9.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old September 19th, 2010, 03:37 AM
Walkoff Balk Walkoff Balk is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,042
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Is it still eating crow when you vote for candidates who have no chance of winning?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old September 19th, 2010, 03:44 AM
Frankie's Market's Avatar
Frankie's Market Frankie's Market is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,664
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

After the second printout, Abercrombie is winning in a landslide over the Mufster, 60-38%. He'll be heading into a general election battle with Aiona.

Also, looks like Carlisle is well on his way to an outright win tonight in the Honolulu mayor's race, maintaining a 4% lead over Caldwell.

Tonight is a good night.
__________________
This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old September 19th, 2010, 06:14 AM
salmoned's Avatar
salmoned salmoned is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Centered - sides are for suckers
Posts: 1,527
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

I voted early (1 hour wait in line), but decided to check if my vote was counted as counted on election day. Sure enough, it wasn't, so I voted again (no waiting). I'm worth 50 votes, but I could only cast 2 - I guess that's what happens when incompetence reigns at the polls - at least I boosted the voter percentages. As the saying goes,'Vote early, vote often!'
__________________
May I always be found beneath your contempt.

Last edited by salmoned; September 19th, 2010 at 06:29 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old September 19th, 2010, 03:08 PM
TuNnL's Avatar
TuNnL TuNnL is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Mō‘ili‘ili
Posts: 2,455
Send a message via AIM to TuNnL Send a message via Yahoo to TuNnL
Lightbulb Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Quote:
Originally Posted by Honoruru View Post
at Washington Intermediate. The same problem I experienced last election re-appeared there again. They had a problem getting the vote counting machine to work. There wasn’t much of a line getting in to vote, but there was a long line of people with ballot in hand waiting for the tech to figure out how to make it work. It took half an hour to get the machine to work properly. I’m amazed they haven’t resolved this issue by now.

I also thought the ballot was unnecessarily complicated. I could easily imagine someone invalidating the ballot.
On that note, I want to send a special mahalo to all the poll workers who worked yesterday. It was one of the worst-run elections I have experienced in more than a decade, and for those who survived it, you deserve a pat on the back.

I would like to make a few comments here. What kind of testing does Hart Intercivic do before posting their “escan ballot box machines” at each of the polling sites? At my site, like Honoruru experienced at Washington Middle School, the machine was not working when the polls opened.

It was not for lack of trying. The poll officials worked very hard with their limited training to get the machine up and running. It took a Hart employee (the “tech”) to replace the machine with a brand new one before people could vote. That should never happen!

Meanwhile, the electronic “JBO” voting machine wasn’t working either. So just like Honoruru said, at my site, there was a line of people waiting to process their ballots after they had voted.

Think about this: people were already discouraged from voting since polling places statewide and especially on O‘ahu (poor Voter Assistance Officials ) were consolidated en masse. Now throw in this voting machine fiasco, and you have to ask yourself: who is accountable for this mess?
__________________

We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

— U.S. President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY, page 2A
11 March 1993
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old September 19th, 2010, 03:20 PM
mel's Avatar
mel mel is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii USA
Posts: 5,237
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

At the time I voted in the precinct mentioned (22-3) at 8:45 am, things were running smoothly. I waited in a short line for some people to run their ballots into the machine, which gave me just enough time to take pictures of the polling place and its horrible "green gone wild" wall paint.


Primary Election Day by macprohawaii, on Flickr


Primary Election Day by macprohawaii, on Flickr

The Miami Vice look is like so 80s.
__________________
I'm still here. Are you?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old September 19th, 2010, 03:23 PM
tutusue's Avatar
tutusue tutusue is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Wah-key'-key
Posts: 10,390
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Here's a friend's experience that she posted on Facebook:
"Give yourself enough time to vote. Someone tried to tell me that my ballot would be a "provisional ballot" and there was no guarantee that it would be counted? "SUPERVISOR!" *Resolved* Good thing I spoke with the office of elections yesterday. Telling them I was blogging my voting experience with my 3k+ FB friends didn't hurt neither."

I asked her this question:
"BTW, who gave you the provisional ballot misinformation? Was it a volunteer or a voter standing in line?"

To which my friend replied:
"Chairperson. She got her info from a women on the phone who would not identify herself. Supervisor cleared it up quickly. Case of poor training."

Amazing. It makes me wonder how many other voters were told the same thing and didn't question the chairperson and/or walked away without voting.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old September 20th, 2010, 05:06 AM
TuNnL's Avatar
TuNnL TuNnL is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Mō‘ili‘ili
Posts: 2,455
Send a message via AIM to TuNnL Send a message via Yahoo to TuNnL
Lightbulb Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Quote:
Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
"BTW, who gave you the provisional ballot misinformation? Was it a volunteer or a voter standing in line?"

To which my friend replied:
"Chairperson. She got her info from a women on the phone who would not identify herself. Supervisor cleared it up quickly. Case of poor training."

Amazing. It makes me wonder how many other voters were told the same thing and didn't question the chairperson and/or walked away without voting.
It sounds to me that you are blaming the chairperson. Keep in mind that according to the election handbook (I've served as an election official) the chairperson is supposed to get her information from that "woman on the phone." The mysterious woman, is, in fact, a “control center” worker whose job it is to advise chairpersons statewide. If anyone was poorly trained, it was the woman on the phone. Hopefully someone from the state is reading this thread, and will advise the Office of Elections to hire more competent "control center" telephone operators.

Meanwhile, looks like Honoruru and myself weren’t the only ones experiencing the incompetence of Hart Intercivic. The Kailua side of the island also had defective machines. IMHO, we should fire this vendor and move on. Clearly, they are the real problem, not the Office of Elections directors we keep trying to blame:

Confusion mars election

By Star-Advertiser staff

POSTED: 05:55 a.m. HST, Sep 18, 2010

Quote:
Primary election day was not without the usual assortment of glitches. At least four Oahu voting machines malfunctioned. Some voters tried to cross party lines. And others scrambled just to find the right place to cast their ballots.
__________________

We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

— U.S. President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY, page 2A
11 March 1993
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old September 20th, 2010, 12:44 PM
Leo Lakio Leo Lakio is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,558
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

Regarding "crossing party lines" in a primary election - I remember doing this in another state when I was younger. If you desired to vote for the candidates of a party other than your own, or if you were registered as Independent, you could sign a statement at the polling place that you were changing your party registration at that time. Then after voting, you could sign another one, changing affiliation back to whatever you were before. It was perfectly legal.

Does Hawai`i permit something similar?
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old September 20th, 2010, 01:37 PM
scrivener's Avatar
scrivener scrivener is offline
Ali`i
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kapalama Heights.
Posts: 5,189
Send a message via AIM to scrivener Send a message via Yahoo to scrivener
Default Re: 2010 Primary Election Day

The pledge is unnecessary here. All primary ballots are issued on the same piece of paper (this wasn't always the case; you used to get a separate piece of paper for each ballot; you'd choose one and the rest would be discarded). In the voting booth, you choose which ballot you'll vote on and membership in a party is completely irrelevant.

This confuses a LOT of voters who don't quite get the concept of a primary election.

I considered crossing over because there was only one Libertarian candidate on the ballot, and that was for Congress. However, once I stood in that booth with my pen in hand, I reminded myself what a vote on that ballot meant. I voted Libertarian. Go, Lloyd Mallan!
__________________
But I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I GOT IT ALL! (George Costanza)
GrouchyTeacher.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
2010, elections

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

  Partner Sites: Hawaii Blog Hawaii News Hawaii Grinds Hawaii Social Media  
    Blogging the Aloha State. The Hawaii Star. Hawaii Food Blog. The story of Aloha 2.0.