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  • Re: The 2008 Presidential Elections - Chapter 2

    Originally posted by glossyp View Post
    You will note that I said I was surprised I didn't know about it, not that it was true. The oversight is due in part to the fact that I haven't paid much attention to JM and that he doesn't trumpet this at every campaign stop.
    McCain's campaign and the press has generally kept silent on the issue, for good reason. I don't know if it occurred to you that publicizing Jimmy McCain's service in Iraq might have posed a security threat. It would have been tremendously insensitive on John McCain's part to exploit his son's service for political gains if it would add even the slightest danger to Jimmy and the other Marines serving with him.

    Originally posted by glossyp View Post
    You are quite right, young Jimmy is a Marine and would no doubt be offended at being assigned to the Army! Regardless, it says something about a family that is willing to serve in whatever capacity; something that is not seen in your average politician's family.
    Unlike Bush, who has no trouble sending other people's children off to war but not his own.

    Not that John McCain's son's contributions to the military excuses the Senator for dragging his foot on supporting the GI Bill. With the multi-million dollar fortune that Cindy McCain is sitting on, the McCain boys don't have to worry about their future after they get out of the military. But what about all the other brave servicemen and women who weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth?
    Last edited by Frankie's Market; April 6, 2008, 07:44 PM.
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    • Re: The 2008 Presidential Elections - Chapter 2

      And what about Obama then?
      http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle19621.htm

      I just don't know anymore?
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      • Re: The 2008 Presidential Elections - Chapter 2

        Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
        McCain's campaign and the press has generally kept silent on the issue, for good reason. I don't know if it occurred to you that publicizing Jimmy McCain's service in Iraq might have posed a security threat. It would have been tremendously insensitive on John McCain's part to exploit his son's service for political gains if it would add even the slightest danger to Jimmy and the other Marines serving with him.
        Meh. It took the US-based Drudge Report to snitch about Prince Harry serving in Afghanistan, which ended his tour of duty after one month.

        It's only fair someone outside US to exploit our future president's family.

        P.S. Don't flame me. I intensely hate Matt Drudge, more than I hate Geraldo Rivera.
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        • Re: The 2008 Presidential Elections - Chapter 2

          Originally posted by glossyp View Post
          it says something about a family that is willing to serve in whatever capacity; something that is not seen in your average politician's family.
          Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
          Unlike Bush, who has no trouble sending other people's children off to war but not his own.
          That applies to most members of Congress as well.

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            Oh man as if Bosnia wasn't bad enough, now Hillary has to deal with this!

            At this point she'll have to pull out something pretty wicked to embarrass Obama. The sad part is that most will believe that ANYTHING negative that happens to Obama between now and the General Elections will be viewed as Hillary's desperate attempts to win the Democratic nomination.

            Her connections and her past is quickly catching up to her.
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              Originally posted by Random View Post
              Meh. It took the US-based Drudge Report to snitch about Prince Harry serving in Afghanistan, which ended his tour of duty after one month.

              It's only fair someone outside US to exploit our future president's family.

              P.S. Don't flame me. I intensely hate Matt Drudge, more than I hate Geraldo Rivera.
              You're going to compare the relationship between a tabloid journalist and a British Royal to that of a father and his son?

              Can someone say warped perspective?
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                Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post
                Oh man as if Bosnia wasn't bad enough, now Hillary has to deal with this!
                But as Vanguard alluded to, it appears that Mark Penn's "departure" from the Clinton campaign is little more than personnel manuever on paper. Just today, it was reported that Penn participated in a Clinton inner-circle conference call discussing strategy for an upcoming debate in Philadelphia.

                So is the double-dealing Penn still part of the Camp Clinton, or is he not? These kind of mixed signals takes yet another hit at Hillary's credibility, and after the Bosnia embarrassment, that is the last thing she needs.

                Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post
                At this point she'll have to pull out something pretty wicked to embarrass Obama. The sad part is that most will believe that ANYTHING negative that happens to Obama between now and the General Elections will be viewed as Hillary's desperate attempts to win the Democratic nomination.
                Here's what I think. Whenever and wherever Hillary decides to bow out, *how* she bows out is going to end up being very important to her political future. If she does not leave the race gracefully, as you say Craig, she and her surrogates may very well be blamed for any campaign smear directed at Obama. Resentment from fellow Democrats would only hurt her political ambitions for the future.

                Open message to Clinton: Hillary, there will be other opportunities for you in the future, with Presidential campaigns in 2012 and 2016. There's also the option of running for Governor of New York in 2010, if you truly want to establish your own credentials as a chief executive rather than riding on the coattails of Bill. But these opportunities may not be available to you if you engage in a pointless, self-destructive 2008 campaign.

                It's all up to you.
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                  Not funny, but sad and ironic. John McCain giving a speech to the VFW claiming that Dubya's surge in Iraq is making "unmistakable progress" when at that very moment, violence erupted yet again in the Green Zone. How empty McCain's speech and assurances seem when interrupted by a news bulletin that delivered harsh and cruel reality.

                  http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/07/mccain-speech-iraq/

                  People, do you really want another 4 years of this?
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                    Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                    People, do you really want another 4 years of this?
                    Well, our enemies can't quit easily, not like the Nazi Germans.

                    We might as well concede to the War on Terror. I give up, Al Qaeda! I give up!

                    P.S. Yes, very warped.
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                      Frankie, not wanting four more years of "this" doesn't help me about voting this year.

                      What are the alternatives to "this?!"

                      It's sort of like thinking..."okay, end the war and usher in socialism, at the same time." No thanks~ (with the hill we get socialism and more lies, oh boy, two bang for our buck, yuck)
                      Stop being lost in thought where our problems thrive.~

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                      • Re: The 2008 Presidential Elections - Chapter 2

                        Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                        But as Vanguard alluded to, it appears that Mark Penn's "departure" from the Clinton campaign is little more than personnel manuever on paper. Just today, it was reported that Penn participated in a Clinton inner-circle conference call discussing strategy for an upcoming debate in Philadelphia.

                        So is the double-dealing Penn still part of the Camp Clinton, or is he not? These kind of mixed signals takes yet another hit at Hillary's credibility, and after the Bosnia embarrassment, that is the last thing she needs.
                        It's coming to light. I wonder how long it will take other outlets to cover this?

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                          Originally posted by Karen View Post
                          Frankie, not wanting four more years of "this" doesn't help me about voting this year.

                          What are the alternatives to "this?!"

                          It's sort of like thinking..."okay, end the war and usher in socialism, at the same time." No thanks~ (with the hill we get socialism and more lies, oh boy, two bang for our buck, yuck)
                          You're asking for the alternatives to an open-ended US military deployment in Iraq? Well, how about educating yourself on what each of the candidates have to say on the matter instead of posturing and pulling out ideas from where the sun don't shine?

                          http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

                          http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/
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                            Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                            Well, how about educating yourself on what each of the candidates have to say on the matter instead of posturing and pulling out ideas from where the sun don't shine?
                            That's helpful. I'm surprised that a devoted Obama supporter is so annoyed. Your guy is doing very well. Yet, where is the love for the undecided folks or those poor schlubs who don't support your guy??? You're not going to win many hearts and minds with that cheery approach. YMMV, of course.

                            I thought her comment that she didn't see ending the war while ushering in socialism as a great choice was pretty clear as opposed to being pulled out of her a**.
                            Last edited by glossyp; April 8, 2008, 07:10 PM. Reason: add detail

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                              Frankie dear, have you ever heard of the term "rhetorical?" Well, I was BEING that as I spoke of the alternatives because I already know what they are. We get McMuffin and war, or one of two socialists with some extremely unAmerican agendas.

                              Speaking of posturing, your question of do we want four more years of this was nothing more than that since you failed to explain to us what "other than this" will be. I don't think you know. What a candidate says and what they do is much too often far from the same, and in this case...what they say is sociallist medicine and things that will help drive the nails in the coffin of our economy.

                              Baking cookies on election day sounds delicious.


                              "You're asking for the alternatives to an open-ended US military deployment in Iraq? Well, how about educating yourself on what each of the candidates have to say on the matter instead of posturing and pulling out ideas from where the sun don't shine?"
                              Stop being lost in thought where our problems thrive.~

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                              • Re: The 2008 Presidential Elections - Chapter 2

                                Originally posted by glossyp View Post
                                That's helpful. I'm surprised that a devoted Obama supporter is so annoyed. Your guy is doing very well. Yet, where is the love for the undecided folks or those poor schlubs who don't support your guy??? You're not going to win many hearts and minds with that cheery approach. YMMV, of course.
                                Thanks for making that comment, Glossyp. It demonstrates this point I want to make, for those who still haven't gotten it yet.

                                I was engaged in a discussion about US involvement in the war in Iraq. You respond by saying Obama "is doing well" and wondering why I'm not taking a "cheery approach" on this issue.

                                Well Glossyp, when it comes to the war in Iraq, the first thought that comes into my mind isn't about who's winning in the polls. It's about the welfare of our servicemen and women. And I freely acknowledge not being "cheery," with the news that 4 more US soldiers were killed today, bringing up the US death toll to 4,024. To some people, those are just numbers. Hence, their talk about carrying on in Iraq until,.... whenever. Disagree with me if you want, but we are talking about American lives here. We are talking about our soldiers being stretched to the limit, with many of them already on their 3rd, 4th, and 5th tour of duty, and the deployments themselves being extended from 12 to 15 months.

                                But to some other people, their response is "So what?" Yeah, way to show your support for our exhausted and overextended troops.

                                Yes, I am just a teeny BIT more sensitive about this topic compared to the economy. For which I make absolutely no apology.

                                Why am I not supporting McCain? Because he's delivering the same "we are making progress" and "the violence is about to end soon" messages that we've been hearing ad infinitum from the Bush administration for 5 years now. And frankly speaking, I'm tired of it. It's time to start making definite plans for a *gradual* withdrawal, as both Obama and Clinton have proposed.

                                As far as winning "hearts and minds," my name isn't Barack Obama. Neither am I officially associated with his campaign, either nationally or locally. He's the one running for office, not me. He has to be careful about how he delivers his message. OTOH, I have the luxury to be more blunt in making my points.
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