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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:41 AM
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Friends camping tonight at the beach, etc? Tsunami warning for about 10:30 pm. Early info:

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A magnitude 7.7 earthquake struck off the coast of western Canada on Saturday and a tsunami warning was issued, authorities said. There were no immediate reports of damage.
The U.S. Geological Survey in Colorado said the quake hit the Queen Charlotte Islands Saturday evening and was centered 96 miles (155 kilometers) south of Masset, British Columbia.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10...#ixzz2AZMd6LMG
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:44 AM
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I didn't hear any sirens yet but there was an emergery alert issued on the TV saying that there is Tsunami Warning in effect for the state of Hawaii.

Pacific Tsunami Warning Center has the details. It is expected to arrive around 10:28 pm tonight.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:45 AM
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Pacific Tsunami Warning Center

EVALUATION

A TSUNAMI HAS BEEN GENERATED THAT COULD CAUSE DAMAGE ALONG
COASTLINES OF ALL ISLANDS IN THE STATE OF HAWAII. URGENT ACTION
SHOULD BE TAKEN TO PROTECT LIVES AND PROPERTY.

A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF LONG OCEAN WAVES. EACH INDIVIDUAL WAVE
CREST CAN LAST 5 TO 15 MINUTES OR MORE AND EXTENSIVELY FLOOD
COASTAL AREAS. THE DANGER CAN CONTINUE FOR MANY HOURS AFTER THE
INITIAL WAVE AS SUBSEQUENT WAVES ARRIVE. TSUNAMI WAVE HEIGHTS
CANNOT BE PREDICTED AND THE FIRST WAVE MAY NOT BE THE LARGEST.
TSUNAMI WAVES EFFICIENTLY WRAP AROUND ISLANDS. ALL SHORES ARE AT
RISK NO MATTER WHICH DIRECTION THEY FACE. THE TROUGH OF A TSUNAMI
WAVE MAY TEMPORARILY EXPOSE THE SEAFLOOR BUT THE AREA WILL
QUICKLY FLOOD AGAIN. EXTREMELY STRONG AND UNUSUAL NEARSHORE
CURRENTS CAN ACCOMPANY A TSUNAMI. DEBRIS PICKED UP AND CARRIED
BY A TSUNAMI AMPLIFIES ITS DESTRUCTIVE POWER. SIMULTANEOUS HIGH
TIDES OR HIGH SURF CAN SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE TSUNAMI HAZARD.

THE ESTIMATED ARRIVAL TIME IN HAWAII OF THE FIRST TSUNAMI WAVE IS

1028 PM HST SAT 27 OCT 2012

MESSAGES WILL BE ISSUED HOURLY OR SOONER AS CONDITIONS WARRANT.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:53 AM
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Just switched the station from MeTV to KGMB, they have interrupted programming to report this event.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:58 AM
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Sirens just started to sound. KGMB went back to regular programming, but KHON and KITV are now broadcasting news reports.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 01:11 AM
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All of the major local TV stations are reporting this event HawaiiNewsNow (KGMB, KFVE, KHNL), KITV and KHON.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 01:35 AM
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Old October 28th, 2012, 01:51 AM
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At this point the waves are predicted to be only 3' to 7' high. But still, stay away from the shorelines.
Tsunami waves pull water out to sea, which makes people want to walk out there... but then the big waves come IN and those people are toast.
And even if the waves are small, there can be very nasty currents up to 24 hours or more after the initial waves.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 01:54 AM
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I wonder whether I'm in a tsunami inundation zone. (Famous last words.) The maps in the phone book and on line are rather vague -- our house is somewhere around the line that marks off the coastal zone, but I can't really tell. I guess I'll just cross my fingers.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 01:57 AM
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Old October 28th, 2012, 03:39 AM
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HawaiiNewsNow is showing Waikiki Beach. There are some people watching the action on the ground level.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 04:31 AM
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Biggest wave so far was 23 inches.
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How was the tsunami for you? Did it happen? Mainland news of it has been kind of sketchy and conflicting. From here it looks like it was kind of a non-event: Good!! Hope all went well.


Oops, I see this topic has already been posted elsewhere. Sorry.

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Old October 28th, 2012, 11:23 AM
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All is well. It got lowered from a tsunami warning to a tsunami advisory about 1:30am. Reports are the that the biggest waves were over on the Big Island, where one of the harbors was seeing 4' waves every six minutes for a while.
All our thoughts and prayers now head over to the mainland's east coast and Hurricane Sandy.
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I wonder whether I'm in a tsunami inundation zone. (Famous last words.) The maps in the phone book and on line are rather vague -- our house is somewhere around the line that marks off the coastal zone, but I can't really tell. I guess I'll just cross my fingers.
When in doubt, wait it out?

Sounds like solid advice to me.
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I am glad that this was basically a non-event for all my friends, and Ohana out there. Glad everyone is safe! Sure must be scary at the time though.

For those that evacuated, how was it? Was it gridlock, or pretty well organized? I couldn't imagine having to get out of say Honolulu, especially the main resort area, if it were a tsunami heading towards the south side. . . craziness.
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Gridlock, to the point where emergency vehicles had trouble getting through.
Lots of people leaving the evacuation zones, but almost as many driving INTO them to watch the waves.
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Tatt...I stayed put on the 19th floor. High rises evacuate up. The biggest problem, as I see it, is people who don't follow directions. I spoke with my buildings security this afternoon. Their eye witness stories of stupid behavior were amazing!
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Gridlock, to the point where emergency vehicles had trouble getting through.
Lots of people leaving the evacuation zones, but almost as many driving INTO them to watch the waves.
It didn't help that the tsunami warning was given a little more than two and a half hours before the first wave was expected to come. Attempting to evacuate from areas like Waikiki or Ewa Beach in that short a time frame is just crazy. Hopefully, the folks at the PTWC will use the lessons learned from this latest tsunami scare to get a better handle on future situations.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 10:52 AM
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It didn't help that the tsunami warning was given a little more than two and a half hours before the first wave was expected to come. Attempting to evacuate from areas like Waikiki or Ewa Beach in that short a time frame is just crazy. Hopefully, the folks at the PTWC will use the lessons learned from this latest tsunami scare to get a better handle on future situations.
Yeah, they really ought to try to give a warning BEFORE the earthquake occurs, that would be most helpful!

The earthquake occurred at 5:04 pm Hawai`i Time, and PTWC issued their tsunami warning at 7:09 pm HT, with waves expected to arrive at 10:28 pm HT. Granted, even a nearly three-and-a-half hour window isn't going to make much of a difference in those areas, but how psychic do you expect them to be? They needed time to receive wave readings from sea buoys to make predictions as to anticipated directions and wave heights before issuing a warning.

Or should we be like the Italians who convicted seismologists for failing to predict an earthquake?
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FM...there's also the matter of distance. BC to Hawaii is approx. 2700 miles. That made for less lead time than we got for the Japan tsunami which traveled approx. 3700 miles. IIRC, there are also fewer bouys to read between Canada and Hawaii with greater distances between them which equates to more time to receive info. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Another problem, as I see it, isn't the way PTWC handled this situation. Rather, there are just too many cars on this island! We have similar traffic jams without a tsunami warning! I'm not pro-rail but I did wonder that night if rail could've/would've helped with evacuation, either out or up.
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IIRC, there are also fewer bouys to read between Canada and Hawaii with greater distances between them which equates to more time to receive info. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You're 100% correct, Tutu.
And hey, they predicted the first waves would arrive at 10:28, and they were only 2 minutes off. Almost 3,000 miles and they were only 2 minutes off! Hot stuff!
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Yeah, they really ought to try to give a warning BEFORE the earthquake occurs, that would be most helpful!
You know, I wasn't blaming anyone in my post. Not the PTWC. Not Civil Defense. Not the governor. And not the people who were trying to evacuate their own families. I just said that it didn't help traffic matters when the time given to evacuate is so short. And as a result, things got crazy and erratic on the road. But it was one of those things that couldn't be helped, under the circumstances.

Your sarcastic tone and lecture are uncalled for.

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FM...there's also the matter of distance. BC to Hawaii is approx. 2700 miles. That made for less lead time than we got for the Japan tsunami which traveled approx. 3700 miles.
Yes, Sue. I'm well aware of the difference in distance. Please read my comment above. Once again, I'm not blaming anyone for the short evacuation time.

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According to the director of the PTWC in a KHON interview,

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There's no history of strong tsunamis coming from that part of the Pacific and therefore, no buoys were strategically placed between the quake's epicenter and the Hawaiian islands.

"That main beam of energy didn't cross one of the buoys, the buoys were way off to the side of that main beam," said McCreery.
Charles McCreery is saying no buoys were in the path of this particular tsunami.

And at the ending of that KHON news video, Tammy Mori noted that one of the lessons learned by the experts was the need to re-position buoys so as to better handle tsunami threats coming from Canada.

So yes, as I stated in my previous post, the PTWC (by their own admission) learned more than a few new things with this latest tsunami alert.
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You know, I wasn't blaming anyone in my post. Not the PTWC.
I suppose if you can claim that you didn't blame anyone, then I guess I can claim I didn't accuse you of blaming anyone.
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