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Old January 11th, 2013, 11:20 AM
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Ron, that is exactly the problem, it is not a "Small Price to Pay". If it was, there would be no discussion. What you are seeking, although admirable, is not realistic as voiced by others.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 02:15 PM
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it is not a "Small Price to Pay". If it was, there would be no discussion.
You're already paying a much higher price, is that acceptable to anybody? Incredibly, it seems it is, as we are already paying higher prices for many things, like healthcare, because we don't prevent needless things from happening and then pay thru the ass when the problem explodes. Too many don't want to lessen their costs by basic and decent humane prevention, it seems too high a price. Some moan, we don't have the money to do what I propose... but, we got the money to pay for the sad results at way higher prices that solve nothing, kinda stupid, eh?
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Old January 11th, 2013, 07:59 PM
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Are all the homeless people on the island former residents OF the island?
Surely, they weren't homeless elsewhere and somehow managed to get a one way ticket to Oahu to purposely continue to live that way.
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Formerly, we had homeless living in hau forests along the highway, or on remote beaches on the Leeward side. Not much of a problem. But they got chased out.

Now we have homeless living in town, putting their tents up along public roads, in public view.

Am I the only one who sees the problem here?

Find unoccupied territory where the homeless can set up where they will not be in the way. Encourage their self-sufficiency. Don't kick them out. Let them survive.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 06:40 PM
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Are all the homeless people on the island former residents OF the island? Surely, they weren't homeless elsewhere and somehow managed to get a one way ticket to Oahu to purposely continue to live that way.
It's multi-cultural, with many of Hawaiian blood, many regular local, many haole, and many others came here to be homeless in sunny paradise while 'enjoying' the free meals and State mental assistance bennies. Lot's of one way tickets from State's looking to dump their bums on us.

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Formerly, we had homeless living in hau forests along the highway, or on remote beaches on the Leeward side. Not much of a problem. But they got chased out.

Now we have homeless living in town, putting their tents up along public roads, in public view.

Find unoccupied territory where the homeless can set up where they will not be in the way. Encourage their self-sufficiency. Don't kick them out. Let them survive.
To me, anybody living in squalor, by choice or circumstance IS a problem. We're not supposed to allow third world conditions, especially for children, but that's exactly where we are.

The homeless need to encamp en mass on Capital property, get arrested and come right back repeatedly until the needs are addressed in total. City and State officials are dispicable in their actions of ignoring the best solutions.

That's merely encouraging further squalor without resolution. Merely surviving while existing in dirt is no life, that's what we've done in places like Haiti where billions were wasted on nothing after the hurricane two years ago. Friggin BILLIONS wasted on one single focus, but oh, we don't have money to do something that actually works.
I have a simple plan for Haiti, if it had been implimented they'd be thriving now, on the verge of wealth. And the same plan would work here in Hawaii, but our Gov. is a lying asshole that needs to be kicked out asap.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 07:47 AM
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Lot's of one way tickets from State's looking to dump their bums on us.

Do you REALLY believe that or even have proof? Just asking not trying to incite anything.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 06:56 PM
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Do you REALLY believe that or even have proof?
While I can't introduce you to an example, there's been mention in the various local media and plenty scuttlebutt amongst those intimately familiar with street life about it. And Hawaii does it in reverse. You can google - hawaii homeless plane fare, and get a start on the various scoops.


Meanwhile, does anybody have positive issues to contribute to the discussion? So far it's merely been how my plan won't work, and my showing the errors in such thinking.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:14 PM
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So, Honolulu was largely without vital access to the net and basic communications yesterday, and maybe even more important services, because of our needlessly rampant and heartless homeless situation http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...186990051.html

Not that my plan would completely eliminate these and similar possible occurances, but it'd surely lessen the chances since many of them would take advantage of a decent shelter, especially if HPD would keep these people out of those areas instead of raiding them just twice a year.

Two years in and what has our 'homeless czar' Pt. 2 done other than take food out of hungry mouths?
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Old February 4th, 2013, 02:59 PM
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Lot's of negative op-ed action recently in the SA, mostly snowbirds and Waikikian's moaning about seeing/smelling the homeless and how tourism will surely suffer, plus the currator at the HAoA whining at length about somehow how it's the homeless' fault at Thomas Square for the park's overall less-than-stellar appearance and welcominess.
My little solution substantively helps all concerned.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 02:45 PM
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More SA op-ed grumblings today about seeing the homeless...

Front page article supporting much of what my plan does and fiscal facts I've noted, but there's nobody willing to merely cough up the many roofs needed for others like Christine http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=189781761 The problem I see with the program linked is that most that will qualify for it must be mentally ill, well, the mentally ill can only handle being normal for so long and then they gotta do their thing which usually get's them back into trouble. This girl mentioned in the article, Christine, I know she can pull it off for good, but most can't and I'll be suprised if even she does. At least somebody is working on a sensible project that can help, but I'll bet my plan works better.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 02:54 PM
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Today the SA itself opines that the homeless visual blight must go, and while applauding the 100,000 Homes project (which has about 10 homes so far) they too offer no further solutions or effective roads towards achieving any. Shame on our media megaphones, the so-called voice of the people for ignoring deeper truths that need to be addressed and instead add to the war cry of merely sweeping away the problem from sight. http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=189959881
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Old February 7th, 2013, 02:29 AM
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A mere signature on a check could change all that.

Mr. Ellison you have bought a whole island.

Now let us see some positive change.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:25 PM
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A mere signature on a check could change all that.
Yeah, we're not talking big bux in today's money, the problems are mostly quite solveable.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 02:24 PM
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Job opening
Position; assistant to the Gvnr.'s Homeless Czar
Job discription; the Czar doesn't seem to be doing much, so this may be a very cruise job, unless it's your job to explain things to the press/public
Yearly pay, $85K a year

I just talked to a homess guy who actually has doable and cheap plans towards improving the homeless problem, similar to my views, think they'll hire him, or me?
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Old February 9th, 2013, 03:33 PM
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Don't open this link unless interested in solutions http://www.affordableportablehousing.com/index.html

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Old February 19th, 2013, 02:22 PM
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The SA op-ed's had another comment on the homeless, this one by Craig Nahm of Hawaii Kai actually used common sense, compassion, and basic decency as a proposal http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=191761471

To bad his fellow residents in the wealthier districts of Oahu are having such a hard time putting any of their money where there complaint filled mouths are, now we can spend way more $$$ getting nowhere in solving the most pressing issues instead of supporting real solutions http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=191779621
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Old February 20th, 2013, 03:41 PM
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The SA/Our View is hot on one-sided opinion, nastiness, and misleadings today re the homeless http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=191951381
They say new bills aimed at cluttered sidewalks is a sign of elected officials frustrations, and that the clutter is trying the patience of isle residents as well.
Well boo friggin hoo. It's decades past time to have sensibly addressed the problems that have lead to the current situation, but instead all we get are more narrowminded crybabies lamenting their precious views are distorted by those darn tent dwellers and such, like op-ed submitters Carol Rothouse (Waikiki) and Mary Hardy (Kakaako) http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=191934061
Mary absurdly wishes those anti-rail supporters would use thier time/$ towards 'taking back' Thomas Square and restoring it to what it once was.
Fact: Thomas Square has been run down and often an obscene place to venture into for much longer than rail issues or Occupy or the homeless. The City has chosen to allow it to deteriorate and go un-improved for many many years. Talk to them, Mary. Besides, aren't there laws prohibiting the general public from doing the things you want done?
Our View also suggests the oft-mentioned 'safe zone' for homeless camping. Yeah, that'll turn into a filthy zoo of illegal activity within minutes. No thanx.
They also say how Bill 7 would permit the confiscation of belongings and held for 30 days until claimed... for a $200 handing fee. Can you please be more stupid?
Meanwhile, how about focusing on the real matters that are paramount and actual solutions that work for all, not just a select few.

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Old February 25th, 2013, 05:21 PM
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We've now lost a grove of 50 year old plus trees due to a homeless problem that doesn't seem to even exist there http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y
They found one guy sleeping in these woods so The City obliterates every tree in the area... and pisses off the residents, friggin brilliant! With more incredible action by our leaders such as this I'm sure they'll be solving all our problems in no time.

Today's SA/Our View say's that "the problem may reach the point where a stopgap solution, such as creating a sanctioned campsite for people that won't go to shelters, may have to be considered", while acknowledging it's just sweeping the problem under the carpet. http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=192840211
Can't supposedly smart people propose anything that actually addresses long-term workable solutions, at least better than herding people into confines that do little to help but will cause infinitly more problems, or always rely on transitional housing as a silver bullet?

As to funding solutions with civic donations, we see how little interest there really is towards bettering our environment with the sad state of merely heating for pools on Oahu http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=192812561 One wonderful lady with means steps up to help and asks that others do so too. We'll see how that goes. But what can we expect from others who don't see the problems, such as a pool, when they don't pony up for things they see daily that drive them nuts?
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Old February 25th, 2013, 10:33 PM
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As a resident of the immediate area I really feel the cutting down of the trees have made the cemeteries a lot more presentable as compared to what it was before. I also feel that families who have relatives buried there like it a lot too. I was born and raised and still reside in this area and it certainly is a vast improvement to what was. You failed to mention that the article also brought attention to the desecration and trash that the people who were sleeping there were doing.
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As a resident of the immediate area I really feel the cutting down of the trees have made the cemeteries a lot more presentable as compared to what it was before. I also feel that families who have relatives buried there like it a lot too. I was born and raised and still reside in this area and it certainly is a vast improvement to what was. You failed to mention that the article also brought attention to the desecration and trash that the people who were sleeping there were doing.
Agreed. It took a bit of getting used to at first, seeing Ka'ahumanu Cemetery without the trees. But talking to people who have knowledge about the place, they all say that the tree removals will help preservation efforts.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 01:47 PM
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You failed to mention that the article also brought attention to the desecration and trash that the people who were sleeping there were doing.
I didn't mention anything like that because who actually knows when and who damaged/desecrated such things? If you have proof please present it, otherwise, to automatically assume it's due to homeless people shows where too many are in regards to the homeless problem. Go to most any graveyard and you'll probably see similar damage, usually done by roaming vandals. Plus, let's be sensible, very few homeless are into pointless damage in an area that will bring heat on them when they want to stay there without hassles.
The problems at this cemetary are due to City ignorance and neglect of their responsibilities, they didn't maintain it, allowing it to be attractive to vandals and homeless persons.
But thank you for reading and contributing.

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The problems at this cemetary are due to City ignorance and neglect of their responsibilities, they didn't maintain it,
Removal of some of the larger trees were necessary because roots were tearing apart some grave sites. So on one hand, you condemn the city for not maintaining the cemetery. But at the same time, you criticize a project designed to help preserve the cemetary.

Do make up your mind.

And frankly speaking, the preservation of the cemetery takes far greater precedence over your aesthetic taste. It is the final resting place for the remains of hundreds of Hawaiians, not a recreational park for your personal enjoyment.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 03:23 PM
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Removal of some of the larger trees were necessary because roots were tearing apart some grave sites. So on one hand, you condemn the city for not maintaining the cemetery. But at the same time, you criticize a project designed to help preserve the cemetary.
Thanx for talking out your snipey ass, again. But, if you have proof that every tree needed to go, let's have it.
The City, as stated, neglected their duties towards cemetary for decades, that's why it had grown out of control. And along with draconian attitudes re the homeless towards exposing the area lead to chopping all the trees down, which seems much too extreme. Yes, I condemn ham-handed measures that leave things worse off than need be.

On a positive note, Kalihi's Cedar Church, one of the few local groups that stresses civic aid towards the disadvantaged/homeless has stepped up again in hopes of guiding some folks into a better life by proposing a farm and kim chee factory to be employed by homeless individuals http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...1&id=193491811
They also have property that provides a 'tent village' for safe camping at nite.

On a much more sour note, NPR ran a short segment yesterday concerning the homeless situation which included comments by the disgraced, displaced, former, and useless Homeless Czar, Mark Alexander, in which he again shows his dark side when it comes to intelligent or even compassionate thinking of those on the streets. Instead of any truly helpful ideas this guy just keeps coming up with ways to hassle and deprive those who are down by saying he wants to "keep them moving", as in NO REST FOR THE WEARY. Thanx, jerk!

Plus, The City is continuing to try forcing tent dwellers off sidewalks by claiming it's a safety issue, when of course there is scant evidence of any such thing. It's all about people endlessly complaining of merely seeing them, yet typically none of them are doing much (if anything) to help those that need help. http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?acti...y&id=193491721

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I just thought I would add something concerning the three cemeteries bordered by School, Kapalama, and Alani Streeets. Not all of the trees were chopped down, there still are a few on the School St. side, the ones that were on Kapalama were cut down a few of years ago and there never was any on the Alani St. side. All three cemeteries were neglected for decades. Only in the last decade or so have the Kaahumanu and Paea? cemeteries have been cleaned and upkept. Not too many people even knew that there were three separate cemeteries.
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Good to know there are some trees left, thanx for the info, D'.
Yes, they had to do some sluething to get to the property facts after all these years, and you'd think cemetaries would have been given higher consideration but there are probably many others just as hidden and forgotten. Kinda sad.
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