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Old April 13th, 2006, 05:15 PM
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Here we go again...the "uppity" elected officials from Maui stirring up trouble for Superferry representatives in a hearing in the Legislature yesterday...
I for one am happy that the Legislature is playing hardball with the Superferry.
They've been evasive and unwilling to address the communities concerns about lack of infrastructure to support the service (on the neighbor islands), the potential negative effects on the environment etc.
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Old April 15th, 2006, 02:41 PM
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I think if Maui County voters had to choose between being able to ship more goods to Maui v. shipping more tourists and cars to Maui, the choice would be overwhelming: It's more important to the residents to have goods available, and now with Young Bros getting out of the non containerized shipping business on Maui, it will mean more competition, but where will those other shippers be able to offload their shipments?

I thought Ma'alaea would be a more strategic location for a ferry terminal, but I discovered that there's been hue and cry over further development of that area due to EPA concerns.

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Old April 15th, 2006, 07:01 PM
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I for one am happy that the Legislature is playing hardball with the Superferry.

Read that to mean "Maui Democrat legislators".
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Read that to mean "Maui Democrat legislators".
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Read that to mean "Maui Democrat legislators".
Except for (powerless) Halford, that is redundant. heh.
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Old April 16th, 2006, 12:58 AM
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Except for (powerless) Halford, that is redundant. heh.
Yeah, the district Chris Halford represents has lotsa rich snowbirds and McMansions...and cows.

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The Democrats from Maui have been making the biggest noise on the opposition of the Superferry which presents Hawaii residents with another travel option that a lot of people are looking forward to. But the obstructionist, enviro whackos and the few from afar in the great Northwest would rather put a halt to the whole thing rather than give this option a chance.

But then after 3 topics with numerous posts mostly opposing the Superferry, this is not expected given the outspoken population who are championing the defeat of this economic option. A typical pattern of thought for HT.

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Old April 16th, 2006, 01:16 AM
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The Democrats from Maui have been making the biggest noise on the opposition of the Superferry which presents Hawaii residents with another travel option that a lot of people are looking forward to. But the obstructionist, enviro whackos and the few from afar in the great Northwest would rather put a halt to the whole thing rather than give this option a chance.

But then after 3 topics with numerous posts mostly opposing the Superferry, this is not expected given the outspoken population who are championing the defeat of this economic option. A typical pattern of thought for HT.

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Mel, I'm not saying NOT to have the Superferry go to Maui. But if you lived on Maui and had to contend with the nightmare that the increased traffic will cause in the Kahului area, you'd say "put it somewhere else on Maui" too. It's not even about the environment, but it IS about the congestion in the harbor area that is causing the local residents a lot of angst right now. Both Garibaldi and the State acknowledge that Kahului Harbor is the port that's going to cause the biggest problems for Superferry because it is already overoccupied.

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Old April 16th, 2006, 01:30 AM
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The Democrats from Maui have been making the biggest noise on the opposition of the Superferry which presents Hawaii residents with another travel option that a lot of people are looking forward to. But the obstructionist, enviro whackos and the few from afar in the great Northwest would rather put a halt to the whole thing rather than give this option a chance.
Mel,
You are looking at this Super Ferry option through rose colored glasses.
In other words totally oblivious to the potential impacts this service may
bring. Take Kawaihae Harbor for example, in my opinion the infrastructure
there is totally inadequate for the SuperFerry.Who is going to pay for
that infrastructure upgrades at the neighbor island harbors. We all know you hate tax increases, so I suppose any tax increase to fund it is big no-no.
Why are we using 40 million of our taxpayers dollars to get SuperFerry off
the ground ? I'm frankly surprised Mel, with your no new taxes spin, you
are not first one in line to bitch about the latter.

I don't consider myself a environmental wacko. If you bother to read
my blog..you'd get much different impression. Nonetheless I have strong
reservations about the SuperFerry. Compounding it is the unwillingness of
SuperFerry management to be forthright and honest with the people of
Hawaii about potential impacts of their service.

We all know Mel, you got your blinders on to these impacts.You'd rather
not accept they exist, just because SuperFerry is all great and cool. I
on the other hand am looking at the bigger picture.As I'll be living here
long after you are dead and gone.
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Old April 16th, 2006, 01:32 AM
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Aaron, do you know if Garibaldi has revealed who the Big Island Superferry advisory board members are yet? I have not seen boo about this, or about the Kauai representatives...only know who the Maui reps are.

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Aaron, do you know if Garibaldi has revealed who the Big Island Superferry advisory board members are yet? I have not seen boo about this, or about the Kauai representatives...only know who the Maui reps are.

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No I have not reading anything about that. I suspect since service to the Big Island is not going to commence until 2009 I believe..It may be awhile before
they get around to naming a commitee..
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Old April 16th, 2006, 02:05 AM
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Mel,
You are looking at this Super Ferry option through rose colored glasses.
In other words totally oblivious to the potential impacts this service may
bring. .....(snipped).... As I'll be living here long after you are dead and gone.
Just the kind of reaction I'd get from the typical, anti-development, anti-progress user. No biggie. If you and all the obstructionists win, no big deal. You'll get what you want and island residents just lose out on another travel and transport option. If the Superferry sails, well I'll be on a trip to Kawaihae and you can just stay at home. No one is forcing you and the obstructionists to use it.

In the meantime, just in case I die before any of this happens, I will tend to my funeral arrangements and you can come and laugh there or make a silly post here... Mel's dead. That is what you want. Thanks for being so honest in expressing to see my demise.
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Old April 16th, 2006, 05:56 AM
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aw Mel, no make li'dat!
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Old April 16th, 2006, 11:11 AM
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"Yet these other modes of interisland transportation aren't going to be subject to the same environmental impact statement requirements demanded by the Superferry?"
So just go ahead give them all a free ride like we --that is, of course, not "we" but the East Coast's FAA*...as if that "-- do give joyriding helicopter companies through, over, around and without the clouds of any island for which any captalUSt can work up the money to initiate and maintain operations.

It'll just be a superferry through, over around and without our islands' waters wherever the US Department of War, US Department of Home Security, US Department of Defense, US*Department of Transportation , and, to some decimal extent whoever may be US's Hawaii governor at the time, decide is legal, permitted andor necessary.

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Read that to mean "Maui Democrat legislators".
"Maui Democrat legislators" is incorrect; that should read "Democratic legislators."

Lately, many Republicans (nationally and locally, but more so locally) have displayed an aversion to the proper adjective form of "Democrat," which is "Democratic." (For Republicans, both adjective and noun forms are the same.) They seem not to want to label their political counterparts as being "democratic," which has another meaning when lowercase, so they avoid using the term "Democratic" as well.

It makes them look and sound childish.

You will notice this anytime you read or hear quotes from local politicians. They make themselves look uneducated and petty when they insist on using bad grammar to try to make a political point.
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Old April 16th, 2006, 07:34 PM
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Just the kind of reaction I'd get from the typical, anti-development, anti-progress user. No biggie. If you and all the obstructionists win, no big deal. You'll get what you want and island residents just lose out on another travel and transport option. If the Superferry sails, well I'll be on a trip to Kawaihae and you can just stay at home. No one is forcing you and the obstructionists to use it.

In the meantime, just in case I die before any of this happens, I will tend to my funeral arrangements and you can come and laugh there or make a silly post here... Mel's dead. That is what you want. Thanks for being so honest in expressing to see my demise.
Mel,
You are living in a dream land. You don't know who I am or what I stand for.
If you bothered to read my blog you'd see I'm not who you think I am. That
being said typical Mel response, you bitch about new taxes..but when taxpayer funds are being used to fun a strictly private venture...Mel is silent ?
Talk about being a hypocrite to the max.

As for the other comment, you totally misinterpreted what I meant.Just like
you paint everyone a liberal,environmental wacko,etc just because they don't
agree with you. All I meant is I'm 30 and you are probably in your 50-60s
(based upon your ultra conservative views).I'm going to be living here in Hawaii and dealing with your generation's screwups after you are dead and gone.
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All I meant is I'm 30 and you are probably in your 50-60s
(based upon your ultra conservative views).I'm going to be living here in Hawaii and dealing with your generation's screwups after you are dead and gone.
Good luck, Aaron. Make sure that in the process of cleaning up the messes your parents and my generation are leaving for you to clean up, that you don't create more messes for YOUR kids and grandkids at the same time! (P.S. As you get older you tend to grow more realistic about how things are supposed to run. Many of us makule guys thought the way you do when we were your age too! We used to say, "never trust anyone over 30"...now we gotta say "never trust anyone over 70!")

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Good luck, Aaron. Make sure that in the process of cleaning up the messes your parents and my generation are leaving for you to clean up, that you don't create more messes for YOUR kids and grandkids at the same time!
Don't hold your breath. History has the tendency of repeating itself throughout the generations. One generation screws the next and so on.
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Don't hold your breath. History has the tendency of repeating itself throughout the generations. One generation screws the next and so on.
You've noticed that too, eh, Mel?

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http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=19110

Business, individuals hurt by Superferry intrusion

Young Brothers has announced it will no longer be accepting anything less than full containers due to the Superferry taking over its space (The Maui News, April 15).

This will have no effect on the big box stores, but Maui’s small businesses and individuals will now have to incur the delays and costs of taking their pallets to a “consolidator.” Instead of shipping a pallet for about $35, the price will likely go over $100.
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Business, individuals hurt by Superferry intrusion

Young Brothers has announced it will no longer be accepting anything less than full containers due to the Superferry taking over its space (The Maui News, April 15).

This will have no effect on the big box stores, but Maui’s small businesses and individuals will now have to incur the delays and costs of taking their pallets to a “consolidator.” Instead of shipping a pallet for about $35, the price will likely go over $100.
I thought the rest of the Letter was even more thought-provoking...imagine denying HCL the right to dock at Kahului Harbor (therefore depriving the tourists of a port of call, boohoo) in favor of Superferry and Young Bros, who serve the needs of the locals? What a concept!

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I thought the rest of the Letter was even more thought-provoking...imagine denying HCL the right to dock at Kahului Harbor (therefore depriving the tourists of a port of call, boohoo) in favor of Superferry and Young Bros, who serve the needs of the locals? What a concept!
I would've copied the rest of the letter, but I didn't want to catch the wrath
of Mel once again. He already chewed me out once for copying too much from
an article.

Back on topic, it is obvious to me and not obvious to Mel that there is infrastructure shortcomings at the neighbor island harbors -even without
the HSF. How are we going to address these shortcomings ? I know Mel
doesn't like new taxes. But the infrastructure upgrades are not going
to be free, it will cost $$$. I mention this and I get labeled a enviro-wacko.
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I would've copied the rest of the letter, but I didn't want to catch the wrath
of Mel once again. He already chewed me out once for copying too much from
an article.

Back on topic, it is obvious to me and not obvious to Mel that there is infrastructure shortcomings at the neighbor island harbors -even without
the HSF. How are we going to address these shortcomings ? I know Mel
doesn't like new taxes. But the infrastructure upgrades are not going
to be free, it will cost $$$. I mention this and I get labeled a enviro-wacko.
That's very true,Aaron, and it's most ironic to me that the FIRST port of call for Superferry will be MAUI, where everyone---from Superferry to the DOT to the Legislature--all agree that ii is the most problemmatical of all the Neighbor Island ports of call. You'd think they'd want their first port of call to be a slam dunk to ensure its success, not the one that's going to create the most problems, both in infrastructure and environmental issues and public scrutiny. I guess that's like eating your broccoli first and then the meatloaf after you've downed the onerous part of the meal.

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Based upon what I've physically seen, Kawaihae is going to be challenge
infrastructure wise for HSF too. I really can't see them making their 2009
target date to service Kawaihae at this point. Simply put the infrastructure
up in Kawaihae can just barely handle what its got now. Just imagine
when they get both HSF and they wood chipping facility in Hamakua starts
up..Kawaihae is going to be a mess.
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I'm glad the Legislature decided it needed to have the DOT and Superferry folks hold 3 public hearings on each of the neighbor islands where the Superferry is planning to dock before it releases the $20 million for port infrastructure upgrades. It provides an incentive for Superferry officials to be more "open" about their plans and gives local residents a chance to voice their opinion on how much disruption it might cause at each of the neighbor island Superferry facilities included in what's already docking there.

"...Because of Superferry’s previous reluctance to hold open public meetings on its proposed operations, the state Senate’s Ways and Means Committee had recommended cutting the appropriation to $10 million. The full amount was approved during conference committee discussions on the budget passed before the session ended Thursday.

However, lawmakers attached a condition that said no money would be released until the Superferry and DOT meet with the public three times on each island where the vessels will dock as well as complete other requirements imposed in the final bill.

The $20 million would go to DOT to complete harbor upgrades, including the installation of barges and ramps needed for the Superferry before its scheduled launch date in July 2007..."


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