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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:48 PM
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Default Fireworks tax

The Star Bulletin had this article today about a bill in the state Legislature that would place a 50% tax on the sale of consumer type of fireworks.

A poll is attached to this thread, it's worded on the general concept of placing a tax on fireworks as opposed to the specific wording of House Bill 887 which might change in the course of the legislature session. This is an one choice, public poll.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 06:17 PM
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Bad idea, to me.

It would be as if the gubment's taxing it at multiple levels. Stores already have to get a permit to sell it. Consumers pay the 4.167% on it. Enough is enough. I hope whatever legislators sign it will have the bill blow up in their face (pun intended). And what a way to just create a more lucrative black market.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 07:15 PM
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Sounds like an attempt to squeeze more revenue, considering they define the "special fund" with so little detail. We don't need another study on effects of fireworks on children under 18. This would just simply encourage the fireworks black market to grow.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 07:20 PM
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As long as it includes the major leaguers that wake up the whole neighborhood at 5am, I'm all for it.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 03:52 AM
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As long as it includes the major leaguers that wake up the whole neighborhood at 5am, I'm all for it.
That's the problem. The "Major leaguers" are probably using illegal fireworks. Illegal is going to be tax-free.

I see this as driving people to the black market. It's only going to make things worse, not better.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 10:19 AM
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I see it as another sin tax-- like gas, alcohol, & tobacco.
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As long as it includes the major leaguers that wake up the whole neighborhood at 5am, I'm all for it.
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That's the problem. The "Major leaguers" are probably using illegal fireworks. Illegal is going to be tax-free.

I see this as driving people to the black market. It's only going to make things worse, not better.
It seems Ron’s main concern is noise. In that case, I would beg to differ with your assessment. Illegal fireworks consist almost solely of aerials, some of which are nearly as silent as a sparkler. The loudest fireworks are in fact the most taxable: firecrackers (in fact, they are already taxed in the form of a $25 city permit). By no means am I taking a personal position on the tax issue. I’m still debating the pros and cons, namely, what would such a tax be used for?
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Old February 14th, 2009, 05:40 AM
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Illegal fireworks consist almost solely of aerials, some of which are nearly as silent as a sparkler. The loudest fireworks are in fact the most taxable: firecrackers
I disagree. Some aerials may be quiet, but many are the loudest of all. A loud bang to launch it, and another when it blows.

The legal firecrackers are not all that loud. I'm sure once you look at the black market, you'll find many louder ones.

About the only thing I like about the bill is the parts dealing with the assessment of the hazards of the smoke. I'm sure the idea is to find a reason to persuade the public to give up the fireworks.
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I disagree. Some aerials may be quiet, but many are the loudest of all. A loud bang to launch it, and another when it blows.

The legal firecrackers are not all that loud. I'm sure once you look at the black market, you'll find many louder ones.
Sorry in advance if I am a bit skeptical, but in Hawai‘i, 99% of consumer firecrackers come from China (where they were, in fact, invented). The other 1% comes from Macao. The only “illegal” firecracker I am aware of is the M-80, manufactured in the U.S. (originally by the military), and which most residents and more importantly, HPD, do not classify as a firecracker, but a Class B Explosive. And if, in your opinion, firecrackers are not all that loud, you obviously haven’t heard the Duck brand. *sigh* Unfortunately, it’s increasingly harder to get.

I agree there are some isolated aerials that are unusually loud. It’s less of a volume thing, then a “bone-chilling bass” effect, though. I disagree that these particular aerials would fall into the category of “many.” “Rare” would be a more accurate descriptor.
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if they state were smart, they would tax the aerials. cause thats where the money is made.
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