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Old August 28th, 2007, 02:57 AM
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This is not a good sign...Hui-R apparently plans to have nonviolent protests every day HSF sails into Nawiliwili at 3 p.m. down at the harbor.
Don't any of these people have jobs?
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:01 AM
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Why are our friends on the neighbor islands worried about us coming there, when we're not worried about THEM coming HERE? Really, if they think all those drugs are going to just float on in, what about all the weed that'll be coming back? Not to mention fattening doughnuts, nerdy astronomers, and people who insist on calling it "ice shave?" The children! Who will protect our children?!

Speaking of doughnuts, will daytrippers have time to drive from Kawaihae to Tex Drive-In and back?
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I'll be bringin' my posse in our own unmarked vehecals dealing sweet bread all incognito outside of the Old Navy (Ala Moana) and ain't nobaaaaady gonna stop me. Das ryte; I got yer ice shave riiiight here...now where's my aveda, biyyotch??

ANNNDDD I ain't going home in one day! I'm gonna sleep in my car, watching the sunset, as I bring da party down to Nanakuli!
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:04 AM
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They aim to be nonviolent.
Their "aim" was aiming rocks at the vehicles of innocent citizens. You call that nonviolent?!? If one of your beloved protesters rocks broke a window and injured a child, you'd call that nonviolent too?!??

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Any violence is the result of the Coast Guard and their attempts to use boat hooks to snag the people in the water.
Boat hooks are not sharp pointy objects, silly person. They're blunt, and the Coasties use them to RESCUE people in the water. You dare to call that violent?!? You dare to insult these people who risk their own lives daily to rescue people and who save countless lives?
Stay the hell in Seattle!

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And now there are three "martyrs for their cause."
And now you call three criminals "martyrs"?!?!?
You're just digging your own hole deeper and deeper.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:05 AM
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Don't any of these people have jobs?
Guess not! Just like on Maui nowadays. You know the stretch of Kaahumanu Ave. from Baldwin HS all the way down to Hana Hwy by Dairy Rd. is near-gridlock almost every day between 9 and about 6:30 during the week in both directions. Every time I go to Maui now, and I'm driving around Kaahumanu Center and see all the cars going in both directions, I always ask myself, "don't these guys have jobs or wot???"

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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:09 AM
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Their "aim" was aiming rocks at the vehicles of innocent citizens. You call that nonviolent?!? If one of your beloved protesters rocks broke a window and injured a child, you'd call that nonviolent too?!??

Boat hooks are not sharp pointy objects, silly person. They're blunt, and the Coasties use them to RESCUE people in the water. You dare to call that violent?!? You dare to insult these people who risk their own lives daily to rescue people and who save countless lives?
Stay the hell in Seattle!

And now you call three criminals "martyrs"?!?!?
You're just digging your own hole deeper and deeper.
Eh Lika, if I wasn't being sarcastic, I wouldn't have put martyrs in quotes. But in nonviolent demonstrations, this is exactly what the demonstrators are looking for. Now they have more ammo to give to their sympathizers. This is also what Gandhi did. The bozos who got arrested were probably the ones throwing the stones. But there were plenty of people who parked and locked their cars and just walked away from them, which blocked the driveway.

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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:15 AM
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Don't any of these people have jobs?
With Maui temporarily suspended as a destination, Superferry is now free to alter their schedule, offer 2 trips to Kauai and see who shows up at the protests like say 10 or 11 in the morning. If the same people show up at all demos, well they probably aren't employed.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:26 AM
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I know of some great manju on Kaua`i (Lawai Mini Mart); I hear Maui has some ono manju as well, but I've not had it. Certainly better than doughnuts.
For those on Oahu, Shirokiya is having the 'Island Fair' through this weekend. They brought in both the Maui manju and the Kauai manju. I've had both and prefer the Kauai manju.

link: http://shirokiya.com/cart/shopcore/?...2ae42267a65913

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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:35 AM
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Eh Lika, if I wasn't being sarcastic, I wouldn't have put martyrs in quotes.
Were you being "sarcastic" when you attacked the Coast Guard too?
I noticed you skipped right over my reply to you on that one.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:36 AM
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With Maui temporarily suspended as a destination, Superferry is now free to alter their schedule, offer 2 trips to Kauai and see who shows up at the protests like say 10 or 11 in the morning. If the same people show up at all demos, well they probably aren't employed.
Worthless, stupid, nothing-else-to-do-kind-of-people, protesting US corporatists' (Oahu's elitUSts' heroes) $uperfascUSterry while living (as Mel suggests) unemployed on Kauai or Maui.... really?

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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:39 AM
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Were you being "sarcastic" when you attacked the Coast Guard too?
I noticed you skipped right over my reply to you on that one.
I was not attacking the Coast Guard; I was merely stating that they were using the boat hooks to try to fish the protesters out of the harbor and that the protestors could have gotten hurt because they were trying to avoid being snatched up; however, if they did get hurt it was because they were illegally trying to avoid being caught. Does that sound like I was attacking the Coast Guard, who was only trying to enforce a federal law? You were the one who was reading it the way you did because you think I don't want HSF. I never said I didn't want HSF, but I DO want at the very least an EA from the DOT.

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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:41 AM
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Were you being "sarcastic" when you attacked the Coast Guard too?
I noticed you skipped right over my reply to you on that one.
What would $uperfascUSterry be to LikaNui if he did not have a motorcycle he wanted to take on his every whim to any non-Oahu Hawaiian island he chose?
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:46 AM
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Don't any of these people have jobs?
No. HSF didn't hire them. That's why they're pissed off and protesting.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 04:06 AM
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No. HSF didn't hire them. That's why they're pissed off and protesting.
If that is something other than sarcastic it could act as a matching bookend to Mel's comment.

It has for generations been of USist mentality that "no one lives and dies by or with wholesome ethics: everyone has a price" for which they will bend over. Maybe those who refuse to bend over for corporatUSt$ should no longer deem themselves to be "Americans", but , in truth, those who are of and/or bend over for to please corporatists elitUSti$m are not Americans; instead, they are in league with global, the main benefactors of global, the concluding creators of global (ie, "global" only in the sense of sustaining) "Western" capitalUSi$m.

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Old August 28th, 2007, 04:20 AM
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With Maui temporarily suspended as a destination, Superferry is now free to alter their schedule, offer 2 trips to Kauai
Just do one trip to Kauai. Get there in the morning, wait for a few hours and then return to Oahu.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 05:03 AM
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Just do one (landing) to Kauai. Get there in the morning, wait for a few hours and then return to Oahu.
A great idea. Give at least three hours for all on Kauai who protest superfascUSterry landings and deliveries at Nawiliwili Harbor to responsibly leave their work, getting substitute teachers if need be,,, to sail toward Nawiliwili to show that each single Kauai soul protesting against Lingle et. al superfascUSterrianism at Nawiliwili today represented the vast majority of the residents, voters and their allies who challenge this supposed "democracy".

How much would an elections office officiated popular vote cost the counties of Maui and Kauai, their taxpayers (employed and unemployed)?

What is so undemocratic about putting superfascUSterry dreams, plans , designs, when not outright corporatUSt deceptions and corruptions, to a vote by the residents and their government as to whether or not superfascUSterry landings and deliveries are deemed to be good for the residents onto which such "good" is delivered.

Certainly the cost$ of such a popular polling are less than even this one day's worth of US intergovernmental expenditures to protect when not otherwise project the wealth, reputations and/or legacies of today's corporatUSt$ Hawaii (esp Honolulu, of course) officialdoms and unofficialdoms.

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They aim to be nonviolent. Any violence is the result of the Coast Guard and their attempts to use boat hooks to snag the people in the water.
More BULL.

The Coast Guard was docile compared to the protesters throwing rocks and pounding on cars.

So shame. Especially watching haoles on Kauai who probably lived here for all of five years talk like they know what is best for Hawaii and its residents.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 05:11 AM
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I was not attacking the Coast Guard; I was merely stating that they were using the boat hooks to try to fish the protesters out of the harbor and that the protestors could have gotten hurt because they were trying to avoid being snatched up; however, if they did get hurt it was because they were illegally trying to avoid being caught. Does that sound like I was attacking the Coast Guard, who was only trying to enforce a federal law?
a federal law that was just recently and convieniently passed.
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a federal law that was just recently and convieniently passed.
No, it has been a law since right after 9/11. It's part of the DHS regs to keep us safe from terrorists. They impose the same restrictions on the passenger ferries up here, too. They aren't singling out HSF in this case.

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Old August 28th, 2007, 05:12 AM
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If that is something other than sarcastic it could act as a matching bookend to Mel's comment.

It has for generations been of USist mentality that "no one lives and dies by or with wholesome ethics: everyone has a price" for which they will bend over. Maybe those who refuse to bend over for corporatUSt$ should no longer deem themselves to be "Americans", but , in truth, those who are of and/or bend over for to please corporatists elitUSti$m are not Americans; instead, they are in league with global, the main benefactors of global, the concluding creators of global (ie, "global" only in the sense of sustaining) "Western" capitalUSi$m.
Hmmm...I think your "S" key is malfunctioning...

Are you saying that those who patronize or invest in American capitalism are really those who are not US citizens but merely foreigners who support capitalism?

And if it's wrong to embrace capitalism...then what form of economy do you believe would work better? Socialism or do I dare say...Communism? It seems that the #1 Communist nation (China) loves to be the labor force behind most of the United States' Capitalist engine (Made in China) and China's protege (North Korea) can't seem to get it's economic engine kick started so they have to terrorize the free world with nuke development for the sake of feeding their citizens with US Grain. How ironic that Capitalism is the economic force driving China's Communistic ways and that Capitalism is feeding North Korea's hungry citizens because Communism cannot take care of their own.

Is that what you meant by those who are bending over to please the capitalists are really the communists who contract cheap labor for the sake of localized economic growth or those who prostitute themselves by taking US Grain for food all the while denouncing the very economic engine that is feeding them?

I'll buy that. But it seems then that capitalism is the way to go. Heck if China wants to build our Barbie Dolls and North Korea wants to eat our Calrose rice then what the heck we're one big happy family.

Now back OT...I don't think a dozen or even a couple of hundred protesters reflect the views of the majority who want the SF to come to Maui or Kauai. I think residents of either island who book passage on SF will send the message to those who protest that their views are limited to their own paranoia as to the environmental impacts they feel will be the demise of their island.

Protesting is one thing (hey it's their right) but to deny a ship to enter is another. Now we're talking lost revenue which in Tort language means "Damage" to the plaintiff which can be legally defended in a lawsuit.

And remember...loser pays all. If you're an unemployed surfer or even an employed one, that's kala out of your pocket...who will defend them when it's time to cough up the bail, lawyer and court fees when they lose in court?

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There is a road to Hana if you haven't heard. About a one hour ride from Kahului is a poachers dream come true. They could easily rake in enough lobster to cover their full fare ticket on HSF.
Uh, what's been keeping Maui poachers out? Or are you saying only Oahu has poachers? I find that hard to believe.
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Just do one (landing) to Kauai. Get there in the morning, wait for a few hours and then return to Oahu.
A great idea. Give at least three hours for all on Kauai who protests superfascUSterry landings and deliveries at Nawiliwili Harbor to responsibly leave their work, getting substitute teachers if need be,,, to sail toward Nawiliwili to show that each single Kauai soul protesting against Lingle et. al superfascUSterrianism at Nawiliwili today represented the vast majority of the residents, voters and their allies who challenge this supposed "democracy".

How much would an elections office officiated popular vote cost the counties of Maui and Kauai, their taxpayers (employed and unemployed)?

What is so undemocratic about putting superfascUSterry dreams, plans , designs, when not outright corportUSt deceptions and corruptions, to a vote by the residents and their government as to whether or not superfascUSterry landings and deliveries are deemed to be good for the residents onto which such "good" is delivered.

Certainly the cost$ of such a popular polling would be far less than even this one day's worth of US intergovernmental expenditures to protect when not otherwise project the reputations and legacies of today's corporatUSt$ Hawaii (esp Honolulu, of course) officialdoms and unofficialdoms.
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Shocking as it may seem, I agree with you. This is not a good sign.

Do you know anything about anything? Manning the deck gun is SOP for the Coast Guard in any and every situation they encounter!
And since your beloved protesters have already attacked innocent civilians, why shouldn't the Coasties be prepared to defend themselves, even if it wasn't SOP (which it is)?
What a twit.
its not their SOP's I challenge / its their use as crowd control against US Citizens. This violates Posse Comitatus act. Federal troops being used against US Citizens.

How would the good citizens of Idaho react if the US Army were brought out to block protesters? Not the same! The people of Kaua'i have shown much restraint. I applaud their resolve and hope it remains non-violent.

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Uh, what's been keeping Maui poachers out? Or are you saying only Oahu has poachers? I find that hard to believe.
This is why an EIS is needed. The ramifacations are permanent and need to be researched.
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its not their SOP's I challenge / its their use as crowd control against US Citizens. This violates Posse Comitatus act. Federal troops being used against US Citizens.

How would the good citizens of Idaho react if the US Army were brought out to block protesters? Not the same! The people of Kaua'i have shown much restraint. I applaud their resolve and hope it remains non-violent.
Well, the 3 people who were arrested on Sunday for obstructing the Alakai were arrested by the Kauai Police, not the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard was brought in to protect the boat, and they initially underestimated the tenacity of the protestors, too. They originally only had one boat to patrol the harbor, but there were so many people in the water, they had to call out 3 more Zodiacs to help.

BTW: During the college riots of the 60s, National Guardsmen were used for crowd control, and they carried loaded rifles (the song about "4 Dead in Ohio" is about one such incident).

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This is why an EIS is needed. The ramifacations are permanent and need to be researched.
How does an EIS control poaching?

It's not hard for anyone to head over to any island and bring back a hundred pounds of opihi or a few dozen illegal lobster and Kona crab via the airlines. You don't need the Superferry to rape and pillage the reef on another island. TSA isn't going to check for those type of violations and most airline workers couldn't care less.

Anyone with a pilot's license can rent a Cessna 172 and bring back to Oahu a couple hundred pounds of anything completely undetected from Hana. You don't have to drive there.

The Superferry isn't going to be the preferred route for poachers or drug smugglers. In fact, there are lots of other methods that are far less likely to risk getting caught. Including any sport fishing boat. A 35-foot Bertram can go anywhere in the state and move a ton of material with ease.

If these protesters truly want to control invasive species or solve any of the potential problems they're attributing to the Superferry, then they really need to take a good look at the WHOLE PICTURE. The Superferry will be a SMALL FRACTION of the problem. Seriously!

Look at the statistics of shipments to and from the islands and how they're getting there. How do you think all the cars, surfboards, kayaks, lumber, concrete, fuel and goods got to Kauai? Does anyone think they were cultivated and grew there? It's shipped via barge and occasionally flown in. Just like the people who live there. Lots were born on the island but a heck of a lot came in via the airlines.

Don't blame the Superferry for all the world's problems. If it does contribute, it will be in proportion to what it carries compared to all other means of interisland transportation currently running.

Most of us just want the option of being able to get to the neighbor islands via some other mode than the airlines. If some people don't want it, then there are legal and acceptable ways of saying "no" in this society.

However, if the majority feels otherwise, then the nay sayers will just have to accept it and step aside. It's not the best way to do things but that's how it is in America.

By the way, the surfers were sitting on surfboards made of various types of synthetic material. I hope they realize that the process of creating those plastics generates some highly toxic waste products. By using modern materials they're contributing to the demise of this planet. And when those surfboards are too beat up to ride, where do they end up? In a landfill? Good citizenship starts at home, folks. Perhaps they should learn to carve them from wood.
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And don't forget their nylon board shorts.

Awe heck surf naked on a Koa surfboard...oops then the tree huggers will get all upset. I guess surfers are just as bad to the environment as an SUV.
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