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Old December 23rd, 2011, 04:16 PM
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Default Thiefs and thefts during the Christmas 2011 holiday

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"A little more than a week before Christmas a couple stole our Christmas wreath out of our elevator at Prudential Locations and Side Street Inn. Do you know who they are?"

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Old December 24th, 2011, 01:58 AM
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This video has gone somewhat viral with the local news stations posting it on their Facebook pages. If/when caught it'll be interesting to hear the woman's excuse..."I was just testing to see if the camera's were working and security was paying attention."!
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Old December 24th, 2011, 10:40 AM
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What really struck me about that video is how that lady didn't have any compunction over what she had done. She just strolled into that elevator, looked at the wreath, and casually took it like it was nothing.

Sad, but it is no longer uncommon to hear stories about people having their Christmas decorations getting swiped by thieves.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 02:51 PM
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What really struck me about that video is how that lady didn't have any compunction over what she had done. She just strolled into that elevator, looked at the wreath, and casually took it like it was nothing.
What gets me is the smug look on her face. I hope at least she gets shunned by her friends.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 03:20 PM
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Some jerk broke into the Salvation Army Thrift Shop in Hilo and stole around $50 from the donation kettles.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 03:32 PM
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"A little more than a week before Christmas a couple stole our Christmas wreath out of our elevator at Prudential Locations and Side Street Inn.
"Prudential is taking it in stride and is not filing a police report."
Now that's the Christmas Spirit though it may be displaced. IMO
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Old December 24th, 2011, 07:02 PM
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she doesn't look like she was "stealing" the wreath - more like she was taking back something. I certainly could be wrong but I've watched the video a few times now and she looks too relaxed about it - just gets on the elevator, takes the wreath and then gets off - all the time smiling. Usually theives are a litte more furtive than that. She doesn't seem to have conversation with the guy or anything and just keeps smiling. or else she is just a really, really BOLD thief
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Old December 24th, 2011, 07:45 PM
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she doesn't look like she was "stealing" the wreath - more like she was taking back something.
That's what it looks like. But if it was her's I'd think someone would recognize who it was and wouldn't have filed a report. Also, once the video got out, there'd be some damage control if it was supposed to go with her.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 09:07 PM
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unless she was a vendor not a tenant of the building? like a florist or something like that? I'm not trying to excuse her but somehow she just doesn't seem to be stealing the wreath - at least judging by her "body language". but since I know absolutely nothing about the building or her, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut?
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As the KHON news report confirms, the wreath was definitely stolen by that lady. So there's no need for any speculation about whether a theft had taken place or not.

Earlier, I was confounded by how she seemed to have brazenly taken the wreath off the elevator wall with no hesitation. Now that I think about it further, she likely noticed the wreath sometime earlier and prior to exiting the building, she planned to swipe it on her way out if opportunity allowed. And it did.

When she smiled at her companion in the elevator, she could have been thinking/saying something along the lines of being so clever at saving herself some $$$$ taking the building's wreath instead of buying one at the store.

Another interesting observation: Look at the man who entered the elevator following the theft. Judging by his work apron and tool belt, he's the maintenance guy. (Perhaps he is the guy who installed the wreath.) His startled expression when he sees the now wreath-less wall says it all. Right away, he knows something is wrong and he realizes that couple pulled a fast one. But by the time he comes to that realization, the elevator has already started up and it is too late for him to catch them.

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"Prudential is taking it in stride and is not filing a police report."
Now that's the Christmas Spirit though it may be displaced. IMO
Who knows? Maybe the thief is a customer of one of the business tenants, and the building's management decided that it wasn't worth it to pursue criminal charges against her over something that isn't of high value. Maybe they decided that the embarrassment of being "caught in the act" and having that video broadcasted on the local newscast and on YouTube is punishment enough for her.
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Old December 25th, 2011, 04:31 AM
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unless she was a vendor not a tenant of the building? like a florist or something like that? I'm not trying to excuse her but somehow she just doesn't seem to be stealing the wreath - at least judging by her "body language".
If she's entitled to the wreath, then all is good and distributing the video was a mistake. If she's not entitled to it, then her body language is all the more galling. She certainly seems to think she's entitled.

But the news reports indicate that she wasn't entitled to it.

I agree with FM. I think she decided previously to take it. There's no obvious hesitation or decision process on her part. She goes for it.
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well, whatever - its an interesting scenario.
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Old December 25th, 2011, 05:15 AM
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... brazenly...
Who knows? Maybe the thief is a customer of one of the business tenants, and the building's management decided that it wasn't worth it to pursue criminal charges against her over something that isn't of high value. Maybe they decided that the embarrassment of being "caught in the act" and having that video broadcasted on the local newscast and on YouTube is punishment enough for her.
Oh course a customer of the establishment... minimal value of theft... public seeing it, backlash, etc. Guess that's enough right?
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Old December 25th, 2011, 06:26 AM
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Oh course a customer of the establishment... minimal value of theft... public seeing it, backlash, etc. Guess that's enough right?
Pretty much.

The Prudential executive interviewed by KHON had this to say:

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Clearly, the implication is that the couple were patrons of Side Street Inn. And if they were regulars there, then no question they could have been ID'ed and prosecuted, if Prudential wanted to press charges. But what would have been the result? Probably a misdemeanor charge, at most.

No, the far bigger punishment for those thieves was publicly releasing the surveillance footage. I'm sure that employees of Side Street Inn will recognize the couple. Do you think they'll ever be able to show their faces at that restaurant again?

And what about that lady's friends, neighbors, co-workers, and associates? No doubt many of them have gotten wind of this story. Think about the shame and embarrassment she has brought upon herself and her family members.
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Notice that the maintenance guy, the moment he realizes what's happened, tries to reopen the elevator door but the elevator is already into its cycle.
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Notice that the maintenance guy, the moment he realizes what's happened, tries to reopen the elevator door but the elevator is already into its cycle.
Notice that it he appears to give up and not go back to try and chase the thief.
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Old December 25th, 2011, 07:12 PM
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If you put up something like a wreath without securing it, expect some scum to steal it. The company can afford the 'huge' loss and the video now has them under duress, mission accomplished. But it would be nice to have the woman pilloried in the town square for a day or two. Do this for crimes and watch uncivility deminish significantly. Hello taggers!
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[...]But it would be nice to have the woman pilloried in the town square for a day or two.[...]
She's being cyber-pilloried on YouTube, in social media and in the news for longer than a day or 2! How humiliating. Karma, baby...
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Notice that it he appears to give up and not go back to try and chase the thief.
Too late, he's on a different floor.
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Compared to the bunch that recently stole tons of stuff while completely busted on camera and now facing charges, this wreath was nothing.
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I haven't heard of anything new regarding the wreath, but even more info to come soon regarding the Toys R Us theft at Windward Mall.
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I haven't heard of anything new regarding the wreath, but even more info to come soon regarding the Toys R Us theft at Windward Mall.
Other than both occurring this holiday season, I don't think there's much in the way of similarity between both of these crimes.

The Toys R Us case involves merchandise that was described as being worth more than a $1000, so we're talking about felony theft charges, not misdemeanors.

The toy store was victimized by a group consisting of one male and 5 females. So this isn't a "spur of the moment" thing. They conspired and planned this out.

You have to love the way the attorney puts his spin on the story.

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"They know they're going to have to turn themselves in so it says a lot about them," said Breiner. "They recognize they have a responsibility to the community, to themselves and more importantly to their children."
Uhhh, they turned the stolen toys over to the attorney because they were caught red-handed on camera and were facing arrest. GMAB! It has nothing to do with them suddenly developing any sense of responsibility. Had they successfully evaded the cameras and gotten away with their misdeed, they would not have returned the goods.

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"Frankly they're single moms with kids," said Breiner. "If you look at what they took, nothing in here is for an adult, it's all for children basically under 10 years of age. That's no excuse. That's just the reality of it."
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"It's sad that this is what they felt compelled to do to meet the needs and the expectations of their children and their families," he said. "The public knows this is not an excuse it's merely a reflection on our times."
Twice, this attorney says he's not making excuses for his prospective clients. And yet, that is exactly what he does.

It will be up to Toys R Us to decide whether to press charges against this group. But if it is revealed that this same group has been involved with other thefts, one would hope that the toy store chain will pursue charges in order to put a stop to their wave of crime and to protect other merchants. At the very least, all the adults involved need to log in some community service. Single parent, unemployed,.... doesn't matter. There's no way they should get off scot-free for what they did.
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The wreath was returned. From KHON's Facebook status update:

"A wreath taken from a Kapahulu office building was returned over the weekend.The theft was caught on camera the elevator at the Prudential Locations Building.Prudential said it would not file a police report.The wreath was returned to a security guard along with a written apology.Prudential has not yet decided if it will re-hang the wreath.
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returned over the weekend
Before or after Christmas? (IOW, before they were done with it?)
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Maybe the ghosts of Christmas past visited all of these people and they each had their own epiphanies?


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The wreath was returned. From KHON's Facebook status update:

"A wreath taken from a Kapahulu office building was returned over the weekend.The theft was caught on camera the elevator at the Prudential Locations Building.Prudential said it would not file a police report.The wreath was returned to a security guard along with a written apology.Prudential has not yet decided if it will re-hang the wreath.
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