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Old December 28th, 2008, 09:20 AM
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Any looting occur?
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Old December 28th, 2008, 11:35 AM
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Power out 6:15pm, 26th, back on 12:45pm, 27th - ahuimanu Valley.
Power out 6:45pm 12.26.08 in Waikiki; back on 7am 12.27.08 same place. Very quiet for the most part, except for one drunk yelling "whoooooo.... whoooooooooo.... whooooooooooooo"... then eventually a bunch of folks yelling back, "shut up!". To which he obliged. lol

We went to the Koreamoku Walmart that Saturday morning to stock back up on some emergency preparednesss supplies, when it appeared EVERYONE ELSE had the same thing in mind, as the Coleman/Camping aisle in the back right corner of the store (by the toys) was PACKED with post-blackout shoppers; an area normally abandoned. They should have had news crews there. Would have made great 6pm broadcast material.

By the time we got there, most of the flashlights were wiped out. Still had plenty batteries though.

They have some HUGE plastic water storage containers I might consider getting a few of.

At around 10am when we originally wanted to shop there, as of yet the Kaheka street Don Quijote was still without power. By 2pm they were back.

In case you don't have one already, Don Quijote sells the Portable Butane Stove for just $13.99 and $1.17 for each butane canister. This in comparison to Walmart who sells another brand of the same thing for $24.99. Perhaps better quality, yet hard to say when you're talkin' Walmart.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 12:58 PM
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Any looting occur?
There were early reports of looting at a store on Queen St., but when the HPD was interviewed, they had no knowledge of such a thing happening.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 02:22 PM
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This article on the Honolulu Advertiser's website seems to answer a few of my questions about the level of robustness engineered into HECO's grid.

I'm getting the impression that it was two simultaneous (or near-simultaneous) lightning strikes on the northern and southern corridors that triggered the cascade, but that's not the official word. They're still looking into it.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 04:28 PM
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kudos to whoever was working at the star bulletin's website the night of the power outage. the SB posted breaking news items about the airport, tourists in waikiki, estimated outage duration, etc. what did the advertiser have? twitter? bwahahahahaha. so much for shiny new facilities in kapolei and a web staff many times larger than the SB's.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 06:02 PM
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Oceanic came back on about an hour ago. Telephone, Computa and Cable. I'm not complaining. We got to clean and I went to give out Slippahs at Christmas of Hope yesterday.

The night of the power outage. The lights flickered. I was on Twitter. Told my fellow Twitter Ohana to keep safe cause I was shutting down. It was about ten minutes. Antonio and I was in the living room. P.K. told us to stay put. He came back with all the equipment. Within half hour my whole hale was lit.

Yep, even my Christmas Tree.

We were prepared. We have a generator and lanterns.

We watched Videos.

Love and ALOHA,

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There were early reports of looting at a store on Queen St., but when the HPD was interviewed, they had no knowledge of such a thing happening.
Nor were there any reports of road rage gone amuck, despite the heavy and trying traffic conditions. I was in Waikiki that fateful night, and you didn't have people blaring their horns. Drivers were alert and patient, for the most part.

For all the talk about the decline of the Aloha Spirit, I sure saw alot of it on display during the blackout. Many another city would not have handled the situation half as well.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 09:56 PM
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Nor were there any reports of road rage gone amuck, despite the heavy and trying traffic conditions.
One caller to KSSK mentioned 2 guys getting out of their cars and starting a fist fight. I heard nothing further about that incident.
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This is a common thread that runs thru trying times in Hawaii, I think. I witnessed an incredible amount of Aloha during Iwa, Iniki and also during that fateful day, Sept. 06, when the crane rammed the freeway overpass. My daughter, who was in the car with me for the latter event, mentioned the calm and humorous reactions of people on the road would never have happened in SoCal. She was pleasantly stunned at what she witnessed. Yes, afaic, there's still plenty of Aloha in the Aloha state!
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I find it interesting that no one thanks wastewater treatment and disposal for their efforts which go around the clock in these times. They are called out to work and deal with situations that ultimately are infrastructure problems of many years that cause situations. I'm not discounting the efforts of other
public divisions but NO ONE ever thanks the WWT & D division for an area
of public service that EVERYONE CONTRIBUTES to resident and visitor alike
it's truly a THANKLESS JOB, my hat is tipped to our men and women in the Environmental Services Dept. responsible for that arena of our island.
All you ever see is the negative in the papers, radio and television. Step
in their boots and possibly there would be a more positive slant to their
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Old December 28th, 2008, 11:33 PM
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Cable and internet is still out.

Soooooooo, how were you able to post?


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On the bright side, the neigbors depleted their fireworks supplies last night, so maybe New Year's will be less of a war zone.
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I hope & pray that the electricity NEVER goes out again.
<Sigh> It will. Trust me, it will.


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Gotta go restore all our systems -- timers, security cameras, etc.
Security cameras? Kinda like to compare notes if you don't mind.



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Ironic how the electrical system can be shut down so quickly, yet to turn it back on it takes so long? [...]Does anyone remember power outages during Iniki?
What happens is the system becomes unstable and they end up pulling the plug to prevent things from burning out. Then it takes time to re-start the generators. For whatever reason, I don't think that happened during Ewa in 1982 or the unnamed windstorm a few weeks later. They did loose enough transmission lines that they couldn't power everyone at once, so they had to resort to rolling blackouts.

For most of Oahu, Iniki wasn't much more then a kona storm.

Other events from memory (and a little googling):
  • July 13, 1983 (Watt-less Wednesday)- Trigged by a harvesting cane fire under a 138KV line.
  • ???? - Defective transformer or breaker at the Kahe power plant blew. I think it was late evening so most everyone just went to bed. I think it was mostly resolved by morning, so the impact wasn't that big. They also may have caught it before the whole system crashed so it came back faster.
  • April 9, 1991 (Tailspin Tuesday) - Tree branch touching a major line during morning peak load brought things down for most of the day.
  • October 15, 2006 - Earthquake triggers generators to go off-line.

(See what I mean, Serenity? It's not "if", it's "when".)

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Wife wants me to get a generator. <sigh>
I'd suggest a Honda EU2000. Powerful enough to run a refrigerator, but very quiet. Just be sure to get a very big chain to keep it from "walking away". Not cheap, but like I said, quiet.


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Don Quijote sells the Portable Butane Stove for just $13.99 and $1.17 for each butane canister.
The nice thing about butane is it's safe for indoor cooking (less carbon monoxide)
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Old December 28th, 2008, 11:45 PM
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Events like this should help people see that the GRID is an antiquated way of powering a community.

Independent, point sourced, power generation and storage is the wave of the future.

Solar Panels on every home, elec. storage in the garage, cell phones, satellite TV................

Pretty soon, no more power poles. And no cables in your sunset view.

The GRID is dying a slow, painful death.
Huh??? This is a strange post from you.

The alt-energy freaks would like us to believe that, but the facts seem to be stacked against them:
  • Not everyone lives in a house. Many live in high-rise apartments
  • Not everyone lives in sunny Arizona. Some don't get that much sun.
  • Not everyone is willing to make the lifestyle changes to get their energy usage to fit in the system they can afford.
  • Most owners/landlords/tenets would rather pay a small monthly fee then to be responsible for a complex system that is "free" while it runs, but is expensive to buy and to repair.
  • Such a view doesn't take into account the energy needs of businesses and industries.

Just because a few people have been able to do it, some nuts think "it's the future".

What's really strange to read that from you is that it's an unworkable system unless everyone gets a house. But that's the opposite direction from what you've advocated should be the future of Hawaii - more high-rises to keep the country country.
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Solar power is perfectly viable from latitude 50N to 50S.
Panels work on the cloudy days also, just not as much.
Lifestyle changes are often driven by technological advances.
High rises always have a sunny facing east side, and a rooftop.
It just so happens that one of the largest, industrial solar arrays sits atop a building in Massachusetts where (you guessed it) solar panels are manufactured.

One impediment to solar power is age and anachronistic beliefs.
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Panels work on the cloudy days also, just not as much.
So we're to use less energy those days? Not a popular idea.


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Lifestyle changes are often driven by technological advances.
In this case I doubt if the desire to use solar will trump the needed changes.

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High rises always have a sunny facing east side, and a rooftop.
Very small rooftop for the number of people. East side is only good for too few hours.


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It just so happens that one of the largest, industrial solar arrays sits atop a building in Massachusetts where (you guessed it) solar panels are manufactured.
How self-serving of them. Why should I be surprised?

Now, how big an array would it take to power Bishop Square?


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and the lack of a good storage system, a whole gob of money, and no ROI.
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Puts things into perspective:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081229/...winter_weather

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Old December 29th, 2008, 03:59 AM
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If the blackout lasted 12 hours. What else could I do with the rest of the 11 hours and 59 minutes?
Never mind!
I don't think any female within 4,000 miles would be interested in a "one-minute" pregnancy.... or even a one-minute trial job.

You better go back to "Lefty."

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Puts things into perspective
Yeah, when mother nature decides to rip down power lines there isn't much that can be done except put them back up.

The problem here is the power system is unstable. Any major event causes the whole thing to come unbalanced and they end up cutting everything off.
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Any looting occur?
Not that I know of. This isn't Compton.
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Not that I know of. This isn't Compton.
nor brooklyn or the bronx

they don't have that in hawaii....do they?
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I was in Kauai when Iniki hit.

The storm tore a warehouse open and scattered cans of fruit juice out onto the adjacent common area.

No one touched them.

There were a couple reports of price gouging. But I saw a store in Hanapepe handing out for free whatever was on its shelves to residents who needed supplies.
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nor brooklyn or the bronx

they don't have that in hawaii....do they?
I didn't think so. I heard Hawaii's changed since I last lived there, but I'm very glad to read that some very important, cherished things did not change.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 07:26 PM
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And this is exactly why I'm not looking forward to moving back to snotty North Dallas. There wouldn't be any looting on our side of 190, but not much neighborhood fun either. (Those pearl-clutching HOA mf'ers sure put a damper on any kind of unsupervised activity. Sort of like kindergarten- we even have arts n' crafts under the guise of Scrapbooking, recess in the form of yoga, and everything has to be put away nice and tidy or you get in trouble. Yes, we chose to live in the neighborhood, but then a new HOA company took over AFTER we moved in and started going crazy about things like having to have them approve what color flowers you're going to plant in your yard.)

So seeing my neighbor firing up his generator to power his inflatable Homer Simpson like a welcoming beacon and inviting all the neighbors over to watch movies on Friday night was so awesome.
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hi this is sansei and i just heard that if anyone may wish to file a complaint against Heco,they'll call Heco and let them know.im glad everyone's power is back and that the reserveoir is up to full capacity and im happy for that also.

Well thank's for your time
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So it's been a year since the Big Blackout! That was the only thunderstorm I ever saw there. Two flashes of lightning and *boom* there goes the power! Was there a boom of births in Sept/Oct? Did anyone even ask about it?
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[...]Was there a boom of births in Sept/Oct? Did anyone even ask about it?
There sure was in the film industry. The power outage never even occurred to me! Just tonight I was at an industry party and we were all laughing about not drinking any of the water the new parents must've drank! Especially me. Don't wanna give birth to any grandkids. I'm pau already! Anyway, no one mentioned last December's outage but, dang, we have a litter of Aug-Oct babies now...all girls...one born premature...others born past their due dates. Very interesting...
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Old December 28th, 2009, 07:28 AM
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Last year's blackout was one of my fondest memories of the holiday. I wouldn't mind doing it again.

It seems to me that Hawaii has been chock full of newborns in the past few months. My aunt has two new grandbabies born within a week apart. I've already told her my theory about the blackout.
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