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Old September 8th, 2009, 10:43 PM
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Until a permanent plan for the pier is determined, the state should think about productive uses for those ramps. I like the idea this 11 year old kid came up with.

http://hisuperferry.blogspot.com/200...mps.html#links

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My 11 year old son has a great idea - tow the HSF barges out to sea. Get a re-circ pump (ram or solar of course) and boogie boards. Open the ramps up as an on-the-water water park. You seen the one in Kalapaki, yeah? Either that or a skate park....Could be fun.

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Old September 9th, 2009, 12:05 AM
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I don't feel the need to defend the FOC or The Nat's bleachers and facade, they stand on their own as obvious historic, cultural, and potential boons to our local and visiting societys.

But if we own the ramp barges, like we bought the SF farm..., then somebody in the square circle should be coming up with a sensible use for the things.
If an 11 yr. old can come up with an almost plausible idea, then maybe LingleCo can.
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Old September 9th, 2009, 01:32 AM
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As for the ramp, how about sinking it to make a reef? It would be the final insult to the Superferry and our busienss climate while the "environmentalists" laughed and cheered.
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Old September 9th, 2009, 01:51 AM
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Yeah, them...
Who need's an evironment anyway?!
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Old September 9th, 2009, 04:37 AM
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Who need's an evironment anyway?!
I don't see how the SuperFerry would truly have done much if anything worse to Hawaii's enviroment, than say... the tugs and barges running between the islands daily or even the cruise ships and container/oil ships from US and foriegn ports steadily.

Can someone make a solid case that the SuperFerry would have been more detrimental?
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Old September 9th, 2009, 11:11 AM
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Can someone make a solid case that the SuperFerry would have been more detrimental?
Well... that was the idea behind requiring a full EIS, to determine what might have been the detrimental impact, if any. We'll never know.
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Old September 9th, 2009, 11:24 PM
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I don't see how the SuperFerry would truly have done much worse than tugs and barges. Can someone make a solid case that the SuperFerry would have been more detrimental?
About the only real example would be the danger to whales, especially when the SF kicked up speed. Whales aren't quite as adept to maneuvering avoidence of vessles that pose serious threat to them as I once thot.
But tugs are slow as turtles.
And, depending on how well they increased enforcement of restricting contaminated speices traveling from island to island, which they seemed to be failing at during it's short run, would be another point of concern.

I've stated before that we needed a SF long ago, but the way this admin. went about instituting it was asking for trouble and when they got it they made the worst of it. Too bad for everybody.
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Old September 10th, 2009, 10:02 PM
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Yeah, them...
Who need's an evironment anyway?!
Young Brothers needs the environment for example, and less free market compatition. Makes you wonder if companies that ship interisland were helping out with funds for the "environmentalists". Seems plausible to me.
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Old September 11th, 2009, 02:46 AM
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I just booked an inter-island flight to the Big Island on Hawaiian Air and got a reduced fare as a Hawaiin Miles member ($24.99 each way). But, the checked luggage charge is $10 for the FIRST BAG, $17 for each additional bag. No wonder a lot of people go to Vegas with Vacations Hawaii - two free checked-in bags and they feed you.

I had been looking forward to HSF service to the Big Island.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:42 AM
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I just booked an inter-island flight to the Big Island on Hawaiian Air and got a reduced fare as a Hawaiin Miles member ($24.99 each way). But, the checked luggage charge is $10 for the FIRST BAG, $17 for each additional bag. No wonder a lot of people go to Vegas with Vacations Hawaii - two free checked-in bags and they feed you.

I had been looking forward to HSF service to the Big Island.
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Old April 26th, 2010, 08:18 PM
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Hawaii's loss is Haiti's gain. Check out this link.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:28 AM
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The 2nd Hawaii Superferry that never was in Hawaii is doing a lot of heavy lifting in Haiti. More photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hms-corp/show/
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Old April 27th, 2010, 03:12 AM
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how interesting - it's being used for military purposes!
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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:18 PM
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how interesting - it's being used for military purposes!
Wow! Now, WHO woulda ever predicted such a thing?!?!?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 10:05 PM
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how interesting - it's being used for military purposes!
Say what?!??? Military purposes? You must be joking, since it's very clearly doing nothing of the sort.
Quoting from this story:

MARAD to deploy former Hawaii Superferry cat to Haiti

U.S. Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood said yesterday that the Department's Maritime Administration (MARAD) is sending five ships to assist with relief efforts in Haiti.One of them is the former Hawaii Superferry Huakai.
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They are being prepared to sail to the Caribbean Ocean from different parts of the United States. All are owned or controlled by MARAD, and will be crewed by civilian U.S. merchant mariners.
Huakai is the second of the two Hawaii Superferry high speed cats built by Austal for the failed Hawaii ferry operation. Unlike its sister ship, it never entered service. Also unlike its sister ship, it is fitted with a bi-fold stern ramp that may prove particularly useful in Haiti relief operations. The 373-foot Huakai can travel 30+ knots with available seating for in excess of 800 passengers and a cargo deck capacity of 25,000 square feet.
Hornblower Marine Services (HMS) will be operating the Huakai for MARAD and supplying crews.
"Sending these ships will help those on the front line of this effort save as many lives in Haiti as possible," said Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood. "These ships will add crucial capabilities by supporting operations to move large volumes of people and cargo."
"Once again the U.S. Merchant Marine is answering the call for assistance, as it has done since our Nation began," said Acting Maritime Administrator David T. Matsuda. "These ships and skilled crews are ideally suited to assist in Haiti by providing unique capabilities. One cargo ship can carry as much as 400 fully loaded cargo planes."
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Nothing whatsoever "military" about its purpose. Emergency earthquake relief efforts are not a "military purpose" and, honestly, it's not fair to fool people into thinking otherwise. That's why I'm sure you must have been joking.
Right?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 10:42 PM
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i wached the video!
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Old April 27th, 2010, 10:53 PM
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Say what?!??? Military purposes? You must be joking, since it's very clearly doing nothing of the sort.

Nothing whatsoever "military" about its purpose. Emergency earthquake relief efforts are not a "military purpose" and, honestly, it's not fair to fool people into thinking otherwise. That's why I'm sure you must have been joking.
Right?
While I'm personally glad that the Superferry vessels are being put to very good use in Haiti, I also can't help but think: Can anyone imagine the tremendous difference that the Alakai and Huakai would have made to everyone in this state after Hurricanes Iwa and Iniki, transporting people and needed supplies? Or has everyone blissfully forgotten the hardship that people (esp. on Kauai) went through when there was absolutely no electricity? I, for one, still recall the outrageous amounts that folks on the Garden Isle were paying just for a bag of ice cubes.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 11:04 PM
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Can anyone imagine the tremendous difference that the Alakai and Huakai would have made to everyone in this state after Hurricanes Iwa and Iniki, transporting people and needed supplies?
I've said this forever. Should have been part of our lives for decades already.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 02:06 AM
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i wached the video!
What video? Or are you referring to the slide show at the link Mel provided today? Yeah, that showed military folks loading cargo on and off the Superferry, but that obviously doesn't mean the vessel is being used "for a military purpose."
Judging by the winking smiley you used in this post and the last one, clearly you are joking about the military connection.
And Frankie, the need for having the Superferry here in Hawaii for emergency situations has been discussed everywhere for years. Anyone with an IQ higher than their belt size knows how valuable that would've been for Iniki and any future disasters.
Like I said here yesterday, Haiti's gain is our loss.
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yes, it was a slideshow, not a video. my mistake. Several of those slides showed military equipment/vechicles strapped down on the vehicle deck. The slides, to me, indicated that these military vehicles were in the process of being shipped either to or from Haiti. I did not in any way indicate that I thought it was wrong to help the people of Haiti - whether it is using the boat for military purposes or anything else. Hell, quite a few of my personal $$$ went to help out after the earthquake.

and yes, what I posted was very tongue in cheek. and I think that you are intelligent enough to have figured that out all by yourself.

see post #137, from yesterday - the photos are about half way through, at least 3 shots.
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and yes, what I posted was very tongue in cheek. and I think that you are intelligent enough to have figured that out all by yourself.
Yep, I obviously did. My concern was that we have over 11,000 members here on HT, many of whom are on the mainland and may not be all that aware of the Superferry background, at least not in any depth. And they also may not have figured out that your use of the winking smiley meant that it was a joke. So I just wanted to make sure all of them knew you were joking.
Thanks for confirming it!
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and thank you for helping to get my point across.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 01:46 PM
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Reading the nine-plus threads of Superferry discussion on HT should dispel anyone's ignorance of the history, issues and opinions related to the topic. Somewhere around 3,000 posts on the topic, which were often heated, but also highly informative.
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Old October 6th, 2010, 03:56 PM
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The two Superferry vessels have reportedly been auctioned off for $25 million each.

Let's see,.... each catamaran cost $75 million to build, right? That's a heckuva depreciation.
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Too bad Honolulu didn't buy 'em. At that price and with existing infrastructure I'd bet the system could be profitable and beneficial - much more so than a rail system on Oahu...
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