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Old January 14th, 2009, 04:02 PM
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I guess that's all I can think of from today. If I remember something else later, I'll let ya know. And remember, my anger at Aquadelica isn't personal, it's just anger based on their history of behavior that endangers innocent people and, especially, children, not to mention their own passengers safety.
I understand that Aquadelica has earned their "bad boat" reputation. No questions there.

What I don't understand yet, after 125 posts, is who was the "captain", the "negligent miscreant in charge of underway operations", or whatever we're calling the person responsible? Who was running the show that day?

I'm also confused about what kind of person would go to sea with a cast on their leg, but I guess they never thought they'd need to tread water or swim to shore... and when the salt water inside that thing eventually dried out, I can only imagine the itching.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 06:04 PM
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It looks like the two single posts from the 'other side' are all we're going to hear from them. Doesn't help their cause.

Can't belive the Harbor Master from Heeia Kea didn't jump on the matters long ago. They used to be pretty on top of things there.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 10:20 PM
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It looks like the two single posts from the 'other side' are all we're going to hear from them. Doesn't help their cause.
I think they figured out they should stand on the Fifth Amendment.

If there is any possibility of legal action what ever they say on this forum will come back to bite them.

Besides itís obvious they did not win any friends with their post.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 10:29 PM
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I don't like to wish misfortune on anyone but... good for them!
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Old January 14th, 2009, 11:09 PM
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I think they figured out they should stand on the Fifth Amendment.
Based on the reports here, it sounds like they might have had a few fifths already....
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Old January 15th, 2009, 12:08 AM
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What I don't understand yet, after 125 posts, is who was the "captain", the "negligent miscreant in charge of underway operations", or whatever we're calling the person responsible? Who was running the show that day?
Apparently that's what the various agencies are trying to find out, but as I said yesterday the stories are that everyone took off instantly and that the officials have been unable to reach any of the owners.

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It looks like the two single posts from the 'other side' are all we're going to hear from them. Doesn't help their cause.
Gosh, I hope I didn't hurt their feelings! But really, I did give "Lorenz" the benefit of the doubt when he claimed in his first post to be the good partner of the owners. But his second post, in reply to my questions, was quite evasive and ended up raising more questions than it answered.

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I think they figured out they should stand on the Fifth Amendment.
That's exactly what I've been thinking for the last 48 hours or so.

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If there is any possibility of legal action what ever they say on this forum will come back to bite them.
Very true. If they anticipated legal action and retained an attorney, you can bet that the attorney told them to clam up.

I also need to reiterate, and emphasize, that my goal in all this is to simply stop a behavior pattern that, as I've said repeatedly, has offended and endangered almost all the other boaters in Kaneohe Bay.
Someone wrote earlier that they wondered why other boaters hadn't confronted Aquadelica in the past but that it was probably due to the local style of nonconfrontation. I think that's absolutely correct. You may have guessed that, for better or worse, it's not necessarily my style.
However.
There are two distinctly separate issues at play here. Aquadelica has offended tons of people with inappropriate behavior including outrageously loud music, drunkeness, obscenities, etc. That annoys me, but it's not what set me off here.
The real issue, and the one that pushed me over the edge, is that this new sandbar deal is the most recent of their pattern and history of endangering people with their boat and by their total lack of boating skills. I've personally had a couple of professional boating friends die because of amateur boaters like that. My own life has been in danger a few times from helping rescue amateur boaters like that. But perhaps the main incident was one I related earlier in this thread, about being the first responder to the 8-year-old girl who was sliced to ribbons by the propeller of a rude careless amateur's boat. I held that child in my arms as the Baywatch crew worked on her on scene and as we transported her to a hospital with her parents.
That was caused by boating behavior of someone exactly like Aquadelica.
You'll have to excuse me getting lit up by them, please.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 12:38 AM
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Ocean was hungry in Kona this past weekend. One fisherman tried to help 2 kayakers, and paid the ultimate price. There was another also, at Banyans, but I don't know about it, just heard.

Lika, I too was first on scene to an 11 yo girl who got 'propped', back in 88. She was riding on the back of a SeaDoo when her uncle turned right into the path of a ski boat. She did not make it.

Looks to me like the gang aboard Aquadelica is guilty by the evidence 'in Hiding.' If you got nothing to hide, why you so scarce?
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Old January 15th, 2009, 01:15 AM
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Ocean was hungry in Kona this past weekend. One fisherman tried to help 2 kayakers, and paid the ultimate price.
Yeah, I read about that one. Sounds like he was a good guy, and that he didn't hesitate for a second to try to rescue them. I also heard that the kayakers met with the widow today to praise her husband, etc.

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So you know too what a life-altering experience it is to try to save a child. That's why I give major props to those in the medical profession and to the first-responders who deal with those kind of things daily. All the rest of us can do is whatever we can to try to prevent those accidents.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 01:29 AM
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But perhaps the main incident was one I related earlier in this thread, about being the first responder to the 8-year-old girl who was sliced to ribbons by the propeller of a rude careless amateur's boat. I held that child in my arms as the Baywatch crew worked on her on scene and as we transported her to a hospital with her parents.
That was caused by boating behavior of someone exactly like Aquadelica.
You'll have to excuse me getting lit up by them, please.
No need to apologize.

I've seen my share of people getting maimed and killed by recklessness and carelessness. I don't tolerate stupidity much, either.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 01:38 AM
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No need to apologize. I've seen my share of people getting maimed and killed by recklessness and carelessness. I don't tolerate stupidity much, either.
Good on ya, mate!
You know, somewhere in the Bible it says "For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise."
I must not be wise, because I don't suffer fools at all.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 04:11 PM
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Sounds from the postings on this thread that there might be a large group of boaters who would enjoy seeing the sunk boat renamed "Schadenfreude".
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 11:56 PM
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Sooooooo ..... what new has developed with this?
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 01:19 AM
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Yeah, I'm kinda curious about the fate of the boat. Totaled?

One thing I'll say - this didn't happen at *the* sandbar, but a lesser-used sandbar to the north of it. So there were staying away from the crowd this time.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 12:48 PM
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I heard just this morning from a little bird that the essential problem that day was the raw water intake hose burst, and by the time the guy noticed, it was too late.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 09:08 PM
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I haven't heard anything new, but then I've been buried under mountains of work and haven't had the time to make any calls on this. Or the inclination to do it. After all, it's vaguely possible () that I've made my position on Aquadelica somewhat clear.
GeckoGeek, you live near Heeia Kea as I recall. Can you swing by and see if the boat is in its slip? And a quick chat with the regulars hanging around The Deli there should get some recent news.
If not, I'll probably be going by there early next week and will see wassup.
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Ooooooh. I just now looked at Joe Philipson's blog from that day, and noticed some new comments at the end of it.
One comment, from someone named KWater, appears to have been lifted/plagiarized from some of my own comments here. I am not KWater and I do not know who it is. Perhaps their experiences were just similar to mine, but.
Anyway, go read those comments. 15 in all. And you'll go
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I heard just this morning from a little bird that the essential problem that day was the raw water intake hose burst, and by the time the guy noticed, it was too late.
I wonder if a gate/ball valve was installed at the thru-hull?
If so, the water could've been stopped from coming in and what ever water had aready entered, pumped out.
Instead of just letting it sink.

If there was no valve, then it wasn't a proper installation. IMO
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Just a link to valves for understanding...
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http://insidejoeshead.com/2009/01/11...lica/#comments

That link appears to have been password-protected...
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http://insidejoeshead.com/2009/01/11...lica/#comments That link appears to have been password-protected.
Gee, that was done after my post last night. I can't imagine why.
Clearly this thread is still being lurked/tracked by at least one person involved in the incident.
No matter. I kind of expected the blog report would disappear so I did a copy-and-paste and I have JP's blog report, the photos, and the 15 comments all saved in a file.
I'm not as dumb as I look.
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So give us the cliffs notes on what he was saying.
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Gee, that was done after my post last night.
The interesting thing is there is no instructions on how to sign up and get the password! So for all intents and purposes, that thread is locked up tighter than Davey Jones Locker!

I think I'll go watch my video of Master and Commander. Those guys knew how to plug a hole in the hull!!!! And their boat was called SURPRISE!
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Can you swing by and see if the boat is in its slip?
Where would I be looking? I don't know much more about the place then then where to turn.
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Where would I be looking? I don't know much more about the place then then where to turn.
Walk 20 yards past the boat launch ramp. Go to the 6th slip, then look straight down.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. The folks at the deli probably know where it is/was/should be.
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So give us the cliffs notes on what he was saying.
Well, a couple of the newer comments there included these:

January 14th, 2009
The music was way too loud and obnoxious. FIne if you want to play it but turn it down to a reasonable level. A mile away (seriously) it was still very loud. Be a little more civil next time.


January 15th, 2009
Sad to see such a beautiful boat sink… but on another note, the boat owners had it coming. I have seen this boat countless of times at the sandbar and every time was a bad memory. The captain (if you can call him that) doesn’t know how to handle a boat. I have witnessed him trying to park the boat at the sandbar; approaching at high speeds, putting people and other boats at risk. I have personally seen the boat hit the reef twice and am sadly not at all surprised that it sank. The loud music and rude behavior is a whole other issue. The parties that take place on the boat include large amounts of alcohol, loud obnoxious music, and often times other illegal substances. I have spoken to passengers of the boat and they have confirmed that the comment about illegal substances is correct. Surprised it sank? I sure am not!!!


(The one above is the one that sounds like the person got part of the info from one of my earlier posts here, maybe.
But the one that really caught my eye was this one: )

January 18th, 2009
Bummer about their boat and thank goodness that everyone was okay.
That being said, I have to admit that I am not surprised and I think that boat was a hazard to the sandbar experience. Music aside, there was some dangerous behavior on that vessel that I saw first-hand. I was on that boat once (the first day it was out I think) and while the people were friendly enough to me, I saw some stuff that day that definitely would not be considered safe on a boat and made me never want to get on that boat again. Lots of booze and certainly drugs were happening… definitely upwards of 30 people on board. I even saw a drunk girl fall through the hatch, when someone ‘accidentally’ pushed her, and break her arm in half. She was rushed to the hospital by her friends (luckily they had a smaller boat nearby!) and while I heard she healed just fine, no one on the boat seemed to notice other than me and her few friends also aboard. I don’t know if she even told the boat owners about it, but it looked ripe for a liability issue.
In the owners’ defense, I do recall a captain aboard who was driving the boat while the owners partied.
Best of luck to the owners in figuring out what went wrong and again, sorry the boat went down. I do hope that on your next boat, you will be a bit more cautious and courteous; it seems Aquadelica made a few people pretty unhappy.
I should clarify, I did not mean to come off as though someone pushed the girl, accidentally in quotes means to say, it is questionable if she was accidentally nudged or just fell of her own clutziness; I only saw her fall not how she fell.


Understand, I'm certainly not claiming any or all of those posts and claims are true. It's just what other people posted on the blog before he closed it.
And those posts do conform to what a whole lot of other folks have reported.


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The interesting thing is there is no instructions on how to sign up and get the password! So for all intents and purposes, that thread is locked up tighter than Davey Jones Locker!
Ah, grasshopper, just because it's locked doesn't mean it isn't available. Once something has been on the internet there are always ways of finding it cached elsewhere. But I have no interest in dragging Joe The Blogger into anything. He was an innocent passenger who just went out to take some photos. He's more than welcome to come out on my boat sometime, and I can guarantee a whole lot less turmoil and a whole lot better photos.
I think he's a friend of Scrivener and ZZType, and of course I'd love to have them come out too.

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Walk 20 yards past the boat launch ramp. Go to the 6th slip, then look straight down. Sorry. Couldn't resist. The folks at the deli probably know where it is/was/should be.
Oh, the folks at The Deli sure know where it is. There are only 21 slips in the harbor, after all. And with the boats name in giant letters, you can't miss it. (There's a somewhat similar looking boat a few slips away, but no giant letters.) When you turn into Heeia Kea, Aquadelica's slip is about 2/3 of the way down on the left side.
But in any event, I'll be over there in the next two or three days, so I'll see what's up.
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