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Old July 17th, 2008, 03:51 AM
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Is anyone else feeling somewhat vulnerable with the unstable airline situation? It seems that almost every news source is carrying some sort of story about airlines discussing “going under” (due in part to the high fuel charges). During 9-11, it was uncomfortable being in Hawaii knowing that we were all …“stranded” here, but at least we knew it was just temporary.

But, what if more airlines go out of business? Or, what if the remaining airlines start charging fees so high that only the rich can afford to fly? I don’t know about you, but this situation seems like “slow terrorism” to me, not a fast event, but a slow and steady hacking away at our air transportation.

What do you think about this? Do you have kids in college on the mainland? Mainland relatives you might want to visit? Feel dependant on mainland food and supplies? What if the airlines stop flying, or drastically cut flights to Hawaii?

I've NEVER worried about this before. But NOW, I am.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 04:23 AM
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I guess you never lived in the State of Hawaii during the early 1960's or before. Sure we had jet travel back then but some people actually took a ship to get here. It wasn't cheap and it wasn't fast but it worked.

I think you are worrying for the wrong reasons. I will be more concerned on the availabity of jet fuel more than the cost of it.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 08:18 AM
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I guess you never lived in the State of Hawaii during the early 1960's or before. Sure we had jet travel back then but some people actually took a ship to get here. It wasn't cheap and it wasn't fast but it worked.

I think you are worrying for the wrong reasons. I will be more concerned on the availabity of jet fuel more than the cost of it.
Funny you should mention that. This has been a big discussion in our house. The increase in airfares may become a huge issue. For now we are still flying, but the question of 'what will we do if....' has been a topic of conversation. Even now, there are cruises from the west coast to Honolulu that run about $1200 for interior cabins. Plus, I need to consider the cost of getting to the west coast (around $400 as of now). This is still more expensive than flying straight through ($1100 as of now - compared to $550 a few months ago). The ships aren't really set up for one way or even round trip type of travel. I bet that if the air fares (or fuel availability) becomes a larger issue, the cruise lines will start looking into travel by ship. I don't know of any ships where you can book passage in the same way you can book air fare right now. Honestly, I haven't looked that closely.

This may have a huge impact on the tourist industry though. I can't imagine how a family of 4 or even a honeymoon couple will be able to afford a vacation in Hawaii. We need to actively bring in industries that will provide employment opportunities. I have very distinct ideas on this - but that would be off topic - and then I'd get yelled at .
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Old July 17th, 2008, 01:58 PM
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Is anyone else feeling somewhat vulnerable with the unstable airline situation? It seems that almost every news source is carrying some sort of story about airlines discussing “going under” (due in part to the high fuel charges). During 9-11, it was uncomfortable being in Hawaii knowing that we were all …“stranded” here, but at least we knew it was just temporary.

But, what if more airlines go out of business? Or, what if the remaining airlines start charging fees so high that only the rich can afford to fly? I don’t know about you, but this situation seems like “slow terrorism” to me, not a fast event, but a slow and steady hacking away at our air transportation.

What do you think about this? Do you have kids in college on the mainland? Mainland relatives you might want to visit? Feel dependant on mainland food and supplies? What if the airlines stop flying, or drastically cut flights to Hawaii?

I've NEVER worried about this before. But NOW, I am.
Considering that we don't have good affordable air cargo service for commercial businesses like our grocery markets to begin with on Molokai, we have to live with it. Other general merchandise could probably be ordered and shipped here.

As for taking trips off-island, I rarely do. And if the airline businesses do stop in Hawaii, then I'll be voicing support to get HSF to dock in our port.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 05:21 PM
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Sorry my previous posting was in such large font, I don't know why that happened.
Cruise ships will not replace it if we have an airline decline. Think about 9-11, when there was no neighbor island and no mainland travel. Many neighbor island folk need to travel to Oahu for medical treatment. Many neighbor island folk have elderly relatives or children living on different islands. Tourism (and many jobs!) depends on the masses that airlines bring in. Cruise ships will not be a replacement.
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[...] We need to actively bring in industries that will provide employment opportunities. I have very distinct ideas on this - but that would be off topic - and then I'd get yelled at .
Ah, but you wouldn't get yelled at if you started a new thread with that topic. It sounds interesting to me!

Back on topic...I order a lot of merchandise from the internet. I anticipate shipping prices to skyrocket or travel time to take much longer. I wonder how this will impact Amazon.com. I love their free shipping policy for orders over $25...even to Hawaii. I hope that doesn't change but how can it not?
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On a personal note, I travel to the mainland often for work. I'll be unemployed if the airlines collapse. But, I guess I'll be able to meet many new people as I stand in the unemployment line, all those hotel workers, restaurant workers, vendors, construction workers, airline employees, airport employees, etc that would be standing there along with me.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 06:58 PM
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Companies come and go, sure right now it's a slump in the business, but it's not like the entire passenger airline industry in the United States are going to fail and it ends up that no planes are flying.
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Last I checked, HSF is not a cruise ship.
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On a personal note, I travel to the mainland often for work. I'll be unemployed if the airlines collapse. But, I guess I'll be able to meet many new people as I stand in the unemployment line, all those hotel workers, restaurant workers, vendors, construction workers, airline employees, airport employees, etc that would be standing there along with me.
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Companies come and go, sure right now it's a slump in the business, but it's not like the entire passenger airline industry in the United States are going to fail and it ends up that no planes are flying.
I wonder what happens if fossil fuel is finally dried up? What else can they make jet fuel out of?
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Puppy dog tails.

Ewww, it's made of PEOPLE!

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Companies come and go, sure right now it's a slump in the business, but it's not like the entire passenger airline industry in the United States are going to fail and it ends up that no planes are flying.
I concur. We'll end up with either new or vastly restructured older carriers, where more of the consumer's money goes towards things like the actual cost of running the business and less of the proceeds goes into overinflated salaries of CEOs and executives.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 11:35 PM
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There's always Hot Air Balloon travel? Unless there's a hot air shortage.
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[...]Unless there's a hot air shortage.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 12:05 AM
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I concur. We'll end up with either new or vastly restructured older carriers, where more of the consumer's money goes towards things like the actual cost of running the business and less of the proceeds goes into overinflated salaries of CEOs and executives.
The very least those suits could do is pay off their investors with overinflated returns.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 04:01 AM
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Don't be surprised if you see some airlines bringing back turboprops. They're much more fuel efficient than turbofans.

Island Air has the right idea. It'll be interesting to see how the competition develops over the next few years.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 07:31 PM
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Soylent Green. Fuel for people and vehicles, too.
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High fuels costs continue to gut the airlines. Revenue in the quarter that ended June 30:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...AKINGNEWSFRONT


UAL Corp.'s United Airlines had a loss of $430 million. US Airways had a $567 million loss, and plans to cut 1,700 jobs. JetBlue Airways Corp. had a $7 million loss, and will shut down its operations in Ontario, Calif.

It does not seem like things can continue the direction they are headed without the fuel burning Hawaii routes being cut back.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 10:28 PM
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Island Air has the right idea.
Meh. Hawaiian Air had the Dash-7, a roomier predecessor to Island Air's Dash-8.

Some may call it rustic, but Island Air's Dash-8 are just plain smell.
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UAL Corp.'s United Airlines had a loss of $430 million. US Airways had a $567 million loss, and plans to cut 1,700 jobs. JetBlue Airways Corp. had a $7 million loss, and will shut down its operations in Ontario, Calif.

It does not seem like things can continue the direction they are headed without the fuel burning Hawaii routes being cut back.
I know United flys to Hawaii, but does JetBlue and US Airways fly to Hawaii also? And if they don't how does those airlines affect us?
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US Airways flies to Hawaii. They have a $319 OW trip HNL to Phoenix AZ.

Jet Blue does not.
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I just saw $640 round trip from HNL to Cincinnati (where my family lives). The deals can be found if you're patient and know where to look.

Last year, year before last, I loved to travel. I had the bug. Now I'm poor and I live on an island. You adjust. There's been talk of building a raft. A really big one.
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Last year, year before last, I loved to travel. I had the bug. Now I'm poor and I live on an island. You adjust.
That's the key word... adjust. Everyone's doing it. I spend less, definitely travel less, by plane or by car. Staycation this summer.

Airlines are adjusting too, but so far the only thing they are doing is jacking up fares and adding more fees. Public reaction is naturally to use them less. Stay home is cheaper.

One way airlines could generate more revenue without hitting most of the public in the wallet: Sell display ad space on the outsides of their airplanes. Works for NASCAR.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 12:30 PM
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One way airlines could generate more revenue without hitting most of the public in the wallet: Sell display ad space on the outsides of their airplanes.
Why not on the inside as well? Along the walls, similar to city buses. More commercials during in-flight videos. Ads on the backs of tray tables. Sponsor logos on the flight attendant uniforms. A drop-down tag attached to your oxygen mask ("This sudden depressurization of the cabin is brought to you by State Farm, reminding you to check and see if your life insurance policies are up-to-date...if you get back home alive, that is.")

Okay, I was kidding with the last one.

Maybe.
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