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Old June 3rd, 2011, 08:03 PM
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Ain't it great when the storm let's up just enuf to spend an hour rounding up some lunch only to have it come right back as you're sitting down to eat?!
I wonder how many others had that luck today?

Man, I'd love to be able to see the waterfalls!
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 08:22 PM
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We had about a dozen mini power outages early this morning and apparently more while I was town side.
At least a dozen mini outages here. No harm, though. I have 5 uninterruptible power supplies scattered through the house, so I just hear them beep in complaint. A few years ago, I lost some expensive equipment by power surges, and decided, never again. I wish UPSs wouldn't beep though, when power goes out -- it serves no useful purpose.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 09:10 PM
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Greg, Greg, Greg...I am the last one that should talk about english grammar, but it is "not I." I did not call, not ME did not call.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 09:39 PM
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Greg, Greg, Greg...I am the last one that should talk about english grammar, but it is "not I." I did not call, not ME did not call.
It would have been wrong of me to say "Me did not call", which is not acceptable English. But that's not what I said -- I just said "Not me." Now, it's up to you to explain why, since one cannot say "Me did not call", it follows that one should not be able to say "Not me". What's the principle?
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 09:57 PM
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What's the principle?
You put your answer in the context of a complete sentence, that is the principle. You don't say, "it was not me", you say, "it was not I"...in the context of "I was not it"....not "ME was not it." It is basic grammar, which even matapule understands.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 10:01 PM
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Rain stopped, thunder stopped, still zero wind (so could it be any more humid?!?), and the sky looks to be clearing. Radar images look good at the moment.
I/me/myself will keep my fingers crossed.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 10:27 PM
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You don't say, "it was not me", you say, "it was not I"...
Actually, I do say "it was not me". Therefore, according to your principle, I was correct to say "Not me".
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 10:59 PM
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You put your answer in the context of a complete sentence, that is the principle. You don't say, "it was not me", you say, "it was not I"...in the context of "I was not it"....not "ME was not it." It is basic grammar, which even matapule understands.
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Actually, I do say "it was not me". Therefore, according to your principle, I was correct to say "Not me".
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Old June 4th, 2011, 12:24 AM
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And there's also an existing Grammar Thread here on HT at this link.
So, back to the weather. Over here, no rain, cloudy, very light tradewinds.
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Old June 4th, 2011, 01:12 AM
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I'm sorta sad that I missed the thunderstorms. I haven't seen clouds too often in southern california.
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Old June 4th, 2011, 10:05 AM
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Here we go again, at 5am Saturday. Thunder, lightning, heavy rain, tradewinds at 20 to 25. It's baaaack!
I didn't know until I watched the news last night that we also had HAIL yesterday morning, in several places around Oahu including here in Kaneohe. Lots of pictures on the TV news shows, which you can probably see on their websites. Hailstones were the size of large peas.
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Old June 4th, 2011, 10:47 AM
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Actually, I do say "it was not me". Therefore, according to your principle, I was correct to say "Not me".
You can say, "it was not me" all you want but it does not make it grammatically correct. The correct usage is, "it was not I" and therefore "not I."

Read Tutu's link, it explains it all there.
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Old June 4th, 2011, 11:13 AM
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Read Tutu's link, it explains it all there.
I did read it (well, some of it). The trouble is that it doesn't give reasons -- it's just a serious of unsupported statements about what the author thinks is correct. Why should I believe it? If I made a web site saying what I think is correct, would you believe me?
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Old June 4th, 2011, 01:36 PM
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Who thinks the weather this morning indicates a great beach day? (It is) Not I. Now, in defense of you, Greg, while that link supports matapule it also states:
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...but fortunately most grammarians forgive you for not following the rule. In her aptly titled book Woe Is I, Patricia O'Connor notes that almost everyone says, “It is me,” and that the “It is I” construction is almost extinct...
Me just noticed that it's raining in Manoa Valley!
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Me just noticed that it's raining in Manoa Valley!
I know that's a joke, but the "Me" in that sentence is not acceptable in contemporary English because it is an unconjoined subject of a finite verb, which according to a rule formulated by the linguist Edward Klima, is the only place we still have subjective (or "nominative") forms in English. I think the only real case of disagreement among English speakers, not counting those trying to follow a now archaic standard, is the case where a finite verb is understood. In "He is taller than I am", where "am" is explicit, you only get "I" and never "me". But in "He is taller than I", where "am" is understood, many English speakers say "me" instead of "I".
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Old June 4th, 2011, 01:55 PM
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Anyone else think our main daily should drop their worthless weather page?
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Old June 4th, 2011, 02:35 PM
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I think the only real case of disagreement among English speakers, not counting those trying to follow a now archaic standard, is the case where a finite verb is understood.
One person's archaic standard is another person's correct grammar. Which just goes to show how nonsensical it was to jump all over SusieMisajon for her grammar.
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Old June 4th, 2011, 10:21 PM
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I did read it (well, some of it). The trouble is that it doesn't give reasons -- it's just a serious of unsupported statements about what the author thinks is correct. Why should I believe it? If I made a web site saying what I think is correct, would you believe me?
Certainly not, because your use of incorrect grammar shows your ignorance.

It gave plenty of explanations! Did you not understand them?
The part you should have read was:

"In standard written English, the personal pronouns in the predicate nominative are the same as they would be in the subject. Most Americans do not speak this way, but it is grammatically correct.

In standard written English, the personal pronouns in the predicate nominative are the same as they would be in the subject. Most Americans do not speak this way, but it is grammatically correct.
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Even though we may often say, "It's me" the grammatically correct way is "It's I." "


This relates to your "Not me" argument. You can use incorrect grammar if you want, but if you insist that incorrect grammar is correct, it makes you look stupid.

FWIW, you seem to be more concerned with stroking your ego by winning arguments than learning something and admitting you can make a mistake.

That attitude will not get you far here.

This message is cross-posted to The Grammar Thread, and should be continued there, not here.
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But in "He is taller than I", where "am" is understood, many English speakers say "me" instead of "I".
Yes, knowledge of proper English is going down the tubes, making us look like a nation of idiots.
Getting back to the TOPIC of this thread - we have had rain going down OUR tubes each morning for the last two days. Each day accompanied by extensive thunder and lightning, enough thunder to shake the house, some closer than five miles.
The waterfalls are spectacular, the stream is overflowing, and now at 5:30 PM it has started raining again.
Will this be another 40 days and nights of rain?
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Here we go again, at 5am Saturday. Thunder, lightning, heavy rain, tradewinds at 20 to 25. It's baaaack!
Hey, quit hogging the fun stuff and send some town side once in a while!
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The sky currently looks like a fluorescent light tube on the verge of failing! No rain yet. KSUE reporting live from Waikiki...
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A bit of blue sky this afternoon, so I was hoping this system had left us. Nope. About 20 minutes after Kaonoki's post I got rain here, around 3 miles from him. He's in a valley and right up against the mountains, while I'm right on the bay. He gets more rain, and I get more wind.
But it was a light rain and stopped pretty quick here. But over an hour ago I've got thunder and lightning every few seconds, like what Sue described, and it just started raining pretty heavily. One very brief power outage already, only for a couple of seconds, but.
Third night in a row. I sure hope this isn't that 40-day system.

Check out our looping radar image at http://www.wunderground.com/radar/st...type=loop&MR=1 . It updates every10 minutes.
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Anyone else think our main daily should drop their worthless weather page?
I pretty much like the page. The tidal calendar is good, broken down into various parts of the island. Sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset hours. Weather reports from the mainland and around the world. Daily local rainfall tallies and year-to-date numbers.

As for last night, it was wild. Right after my last post the lightning and extremely loud thunder came directly to us and with tons of heavy rain. Four or five little power outages that lasted longer each time, then a major power outage around 9pm. I'm not sure how far it went, but all of Kaneohe was out. Came back about three hours later.
Kam Highway was closed from Kahalu`u to Laie; flooding everywhere.
It looks like the low pressure system that caused this for the past three days is moving east. Right now it's mostly cloudy but a few blue spots; Kona wind about 5mph; no rain.
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It must have been a wild light show on the Ww-side, that thing must have been going off just above sea level, seemed really low from looking T-side.
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Over a foot of rain, according to our open buckets.
Lightning lights fantastic, with some strikes either IN our valley or on the ridge, flash and thunder were concurrent. This morning is cloudy.
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