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Old May 28th, 2007, 10:28 PM
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I noticed a very offensive letter to the editor in the HTH on Sunday. In short this Hilo resident said people living in Puna are whiners because they are complaining about a lack of infrastructure.

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/.../letters03.txt

I read the recent Tribune-Herald stories about Puna's road and traffic problems, and the state Department of Transportation's plans to improve them.

It seems like there was a lot of whining during those meetings about the roads. It's as if the people of Puna awakened recently (and suddenly) to the realization that they live ... IN PUNA!

People, why did you move to Puna if you wanted all the services and amenities (and roads) offered by a place that's a little less rural, such as Hilo? Didn't you pay a lot less to buy property there? Didn't you want to live a more rural lifestyle? There's a reason Puna has always been cheaper than "the city," you know. Less infrastructure!
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What exactly is offensive about this letter?
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Why exactly do you find it offensive?

The guy's got a pretty good point.
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What exactly is offensive about this letter?
Implying that people living Puna are whiners. Puna residents pay taxes also and deserve adequate infrastructure like any other part of the island.

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Why exactly do you find it offensive?

The guy's got a pretty good point.
I disagree why should areas like Hilo have great infrastructure. When areas like Kona, Kohala and Puna are stuck with inadequate infrastructure.In short the guy is saying we should all move to Hilo if we want great infrastructure and services.
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Implying that people living Puna are whiners. Puna residents pay taxes also and deserve adequate infrastructure like any other part of the island.
I think the person who wrote the piece may be a little blunt but I don't find anything wrong. You are right that Puna residents pay taxes too but I don't think their amount of taxes would cover infrastructure to reach all the way out to Puna and be at the same quality level as in town like Hilo's. It's like the guy living out in the middle of nowhere, up on a hill, and expecting police, paramedics, or firefighters to have the same response time as in the city.
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Aaron, I guess it boils down to everybody is gonna have an opinion. You and Tim can come off a bit harsh too about the politics around your neck of the woods.

I'm not sure I see this letter as being offensive. I'm kinda with this guy (or girl) in thinking that if you live country you know you are giving up some things for a rural life. If you don't like country life, then sell and move to somewhere that fits your needs better. At least that's how I think.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 01:25 AM
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I guess for me what bothers me is the fact that Hilo has shafted the rest of the Big Island infrastructure wise. This letter is just another nail in the coffin to that fact. Bottom line is this fact, there is a huge disparity infrastructure wise between Hilo and the rest of the island. The ugly part of this is the fact that whenever someone complains about this, they are called a whiner.

I know my politics are not popular. But this aint no popularity contest. I call it as I see it. What I see is everywhere outside of Hilo is getting shafted.
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Let's be honest. Folks in Puna are not known for their rationality or their intellect. Check out their council representative if you need further proof. Like a poster child for the illiteracy movement.
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What's wrong with wanting good roads even in the rural parts of the island? Kona's problems are about rapid/rampant development. Puna's are more about neglect. The expectaions of new residents with respect to roads whether in the east or west are similarly motivated as I see it.
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Low Density Development is the basic problem in Puna. Roads and infrastructure cost a certain amount per mile, or per 'whatever'.

When you have less people in an area, it costs more, per person, to put in those improvements. If densities were higher, more people per acre, then the cost, per person, would be less.

Hokulia and Puna are very similar land uses. Everybody has an acre or more. But the folks at Hokulia got the bucks to run water and sewer all that distance.

Puna is a terrifying misuse of land the same way as Hokulia. In the long run, if we continue to spread out, and everybody needs a SFR, then we will turn Big Island into Orange County.

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Modern highways in low density States have always been subsidized by high density States. Nothing new. Same principle.
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Modern highways in low density States have always been subsidized by high density States. Nothing new. Same principle.
Yep, socialism at work!

My brother is a farmer in Puna. He moved there to get away from the big-city life in Hilo. He refers to it as the Wild West. He only got electricity a few years ago. He does not expect big-city amenities.

I'm more fascinated to learn that Hilo has fantastic infrastructure.
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Yep, socialism at work!

My brother is a farmer in Puna. He moved there to get away from the big-city life in Hilo. He refers to it as the Wild West. He only got electricity a few years ago. He does not expect big-city amenities.

I'm more fascinated to learn that Hilo has fantastic infrastructure.
Actually federalism at work. I too find it funny to think of Hilo as well-appointed in the infrastructure department.
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1) what does "adequate infrastructure" mean?

2) where are the new subdivisions in Hilo? Outside of Kaumana Uuuuuuka, there's nothing new going on. This may well change when the forest between Waiakea Uka <--> Kaumana opens up for new development, but barring that, Hilo itself qualifes as a maturing city.

3)Something funky about Kea'au: Shipman couldn't get a light approved at their Shipman Park entrance/exit which is on the Pana'ewa Stretch (that part of the hwy that is several miles long and separates Hilo from Puna) by the County Council. Talk about a big lawsuit waiting to happen, when that big accident between slow-moving rig gets T-boned by the auto-barrelling@60mph. Shipman is going to have to open up their 3-way light into a full intersection at the Kea'au bypass, after they develop more roads from behind Shipman Park into that area. Big plans, millions at stake, and lots of prayers that the Accident™ doesn't happen before then.

On the other hand, why Shipman doesn't open up Railroad Ave so that Puna has a ma kai road is beyond me. They catch the blame for an obvious solution.

Further, Kea'au is stupid. They have a loser mall anchored by an inethical supermarket that gouges their customers. There is a pawn shop and a bar across the street of their middle school. In fact, Kea'au could be beautiful, with a strong pedestrian footprint, as there are several school complexes w/in 1 mile of the town. I mean "middle-class" beautiful. There is a lot of wealth in Puna, regardless of the reputation given by the "wild wild west" nick.

Finally, for years and years, each district bled while the county remained in the black, soley for the sale of cheap land in Puna. Puna deserves more than it gets. I agree with Aaron.
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This is a question, not a statment of sarcasm....


Could it be that the people who live in PUNA are called whiners becasue many of them are newly arrived mainlanders who bought and built there, and whom are used to the (possibly) more solid infrastructres of where they moved FROM ?

Visit www.punaweb.org, read the forums and see how many people living there are from more "established" mainland towns and cities, who wanted to live in "paradise"...retirees,etc.... These people most likely want the same level of infrastructure they were used to in their former hometowns, and PUNA maybe just isn't quite there yet.

Many people live there, completely off the grid, in unpermitted housing, as well as the people doing it by the book, making it sort of a transitional area.
Most people in that punaweb forum really love it there tho', and deal with some of it's inconveniences, tho' there is alot of outcry as well.
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Could it be that the people who live in PUNA are called whiners becasue many of them are newly arrived mainlanders who bought and built there, and whom are used to the (possibly) more solid infrastructres of where they moved FROM ?

Visit www.punaweb.org, read the forums and see how many people living there are from more "established" mainland towns and cities, who wanted to live in "paradise"...retirees,etc.... These people most likely want the same level of infrastructure they were used to in their former hometowns, and PUNA maybe just isn't quite there yet.
I think you're right and that's why I said that complaints about roads/traffic on both sides of the island are similarly motivated.
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Actually federalism at work. I too find it funny to think of Hilo as well-appointed in the infrastructure department.
What do you mean by this exactly ?

Just curious, as I'm looking into purchasing a place there.
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no. The Punatics compound the problem, but are nowhere near the root of it. Railroad Ave goes from the heart of Hilo to Kapoho and has for decades, but Shipman Industries cut off the x-miles that they own of it.

Majority of the subdivisions are "private", so the landowners there chip in to have their gravel roads repaved periodically after the potholes grow too big. For the same reason, police do not patrol the areas and only come in when someone calls 911.

Helco has done a lot in the last two decades to get power into those subdivisions, which for decades prior meant that if you wanted light, you bought your own generator. The county hasn't stepped up to that plate with water lines, tho.

In the county's defense, someone wrote a grant to get public transportation free, but the buses do not go in to the subdivisions. Imagine what that means on the mauka road, where lots are 3acres a piece, roads are 1mile apart and directions including counting telephone poles by the tens.

In other words, your subdivision might be ten miles from town, but your home is ten miles in from the hwy.

Tired of living like 2nd class citizens in Puna, a lot of those residents have helped push the real estate up in Hilo town, again because there aren't any new developments outside of Kaumana City (rinkidink lot sizes, water catchment, traffic snarls in the a.m. to get anywhere...it isn't any different, even in the socio-economics of the developers and renters).
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What do you mean by this exactly ?

Just curious, as I'm looking into purchasing a place there.
My limited experience of Hilo has given me the impression that it is a quaint, aging, somewhat rundown town. Don't get me wrong, I like it very much and would certainly consider living there. Of course I'm aging and a bit rundown myself.
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My limited experience of Hilo has given me the impression that it is a quaint, aging, somewhat rundown town. Don't get me wrong, I like it very much and would certainly consider living there. Of course I'm aging and a bit rundown myself.
LOL...

It is quaint and aging, but as we both know from living in SoCal....the secret eventually gets out, and those dogs have their day, and then that all changes for the better, or worse, depending on your P.O.V.
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The ironic thing is, my brother is finding Puna too genteel, and he bitches about the "rich hippies who don't contribute" constantly.

Next year, he and the Missus are moving to Colorado, building a log cabin and are going off the grid.
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The ironic thing is, my brother is finding Puna too genteel, and he bitches about the "rich hippies who don't contribute" constantly.

Next year, he and the Missus are moving to Colorado, building a log cabin and are going off the grid.
Yikes..Genteel....does he wear a loincloth and kill his own food with a spear too ?
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Yikes..Genteel....does he wear a loincloth and kill his own food with a spear too ?
No, but he works two jobs in addition to the farm and people keep trying to hire him away. He has an engrained work ethic that keeps him sweating all day long and into the evenings. Seems that most people don't move to Puna to become laborers.

His first house there he built himself, while he lived in a tent. Around it, he restored an ancient mango grove. He sold it to a retired gay couple who loved the craftsmanship of the house. Their only addition was to add a swimming pool (!!!!)

And occasionally the pet pigs on the farm do wind up on the dinner table.
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I think you're right and that's why I said that complaints about roads/traffic on both sides of the island are similarly motivated.
Yes with more people moving here you hear more people growling about the traffic issues in Kohala, Kona and Puna. But that these dissuade the fact the Hilo has shafted the rest of the island for years. I've seen, I've lived through it living here my entire life.

I've re-read the letter in question. It seems this person wants to deny people living in Puna safe roads. Highway 130 is deathtrap and a traffic nightmare. I guess the only
way changes will be done is more people sue the state after they get injured in accidents on Highway 130. Its the only way change happens, when it hits them in the pocketbook.
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I'm more fascinated to learn that Hilo has fantastic infrastructure.

Food for thought, East Hawaii has had three new roads built since 1999.Yes one of them has been the Keaau Bypass. But thats its overall. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Hilo has far superior infrastructure than the rest of the island. They have more parks, better roads (which get paved more often than the rest of the island). In short there is a huge disparity here.

Your probably going to ask if I support splitting this island into counties. I don't think that is good idea. There is too much political roadblocks that would block this. But I may change my mind unless some selfish opinions are changed.
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