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    Anyone else believes in the concept of the freedom of choice? Especially if that choice does not harm the rights of others. I don't like casino gambling like Vegas. Don't these people know that the odds are in the casino's favor? Probability wise no player in the long run is supposed to be a winner in casino games. However, poker is a gambling game that in the long run the winners are determined not just by luck but by skill. The house just takes a rake or percentage for hosting the game to players. Notice how they show people playing hours of poker on T.V.? No one is airing hours of people playing black jack, slots, or craps.

    Then how about pakalolo. Did you know that Hawaii due to its location and geographic conditions provide one of the best spots in the world to grow pakalolo? If the Federal Govt. decided to legalize pakalolo, I think without a doubt Hawaii would be one of if not the biggest benefactor of that shift in policy. So right now we are one of the biggest losers to it being illegal. However, the state from their perspective could send the message here to the citizens that we recognize the legalization of pakalolo as a way to for Hawaii to achieve independent economic benefit. Plus with all the States offering some form of legal pakalolo for medical reasons and also allowing a care taker or co-op to grow and provide pakalolo for these patients in need, why couldn't Hawaii right now play a role? Even if the Feds won't allow it, our State govt. should let its intentions to everyone be known that its preparing and working toward pakalolo's eventual legalization.

    Don't let the Feds intimidate us by cutting federal funding for highways or military spending, etc. We're not fools, they'll still spend money for the military here, we're a strategic location remember? And even if they did cut it, I'm sure it won't be missed by a lot of residents. Maybe due to the increase in revenue to the State from pakalolo, would make up for any lost federal funding? Forget high-tech, if you understand economics, you have to ask yourself if Hawaii has a comparative advantage there? I don't think so. But I definitely think that if we had to compete with the rest of the world, we do have a comparative advantage with pakalolo. The State should also consider that if it legalized pakalolo it would not need to waste its law enforcement resources on such as harmless drug and focus more on the ice epidemic. And if the Feds wanted to take a different view, let them spend on all the money cracking down on pakalolo, that means more money spent in the State by the Feds right?

    So please Hawaii residents think about it. If independently we came to the conclusion that pakalolo is no good for society and it should be illegal, then that's fine. But let's not let the reason be because the Feds decided that conclusion for us.

  • #2
    Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

    r u for real??

    What makes you think that we haven't decided on these issues? How long have you lived in Hawaii?

    pax

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    • #3
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      I'm for real. Lived here all my life. If alcohol is legal, I don't see why pakalolo shouldn't be. You don't see anyone saying alcohol has a medicinal purpose except maybe a drink or two a day helps prevent heart attacks.

      You ever inhaled before? Maybe you never experienced it.

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      • #4
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        Me? I am into math. And it is no secret that mj doesn't advance one's living. Plus, I grew up homestead; I know a lot more about pakalolo and all of its effects than I ever cared to.

        These two issues have been bandied about politically for decades, and on a local level. That you frame your question in "why the feds and why not us decide" made me wonder where the heck you been.

        pax

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        • #5
          Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

          Originally posted by Pua'i Mana'o View Post
          [...]These two issues have been bandied about politically for decades, and on a local level.[...]
          And, they've been bandied about in this forum. Possibly GW can do a search.

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          • #6
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            I see you're point. Some Braddahs grow out of it and preach to the younger ones. But the fact is people will do vices anyway, legal or not. Pakalolo, Gambling, Prostitution, and Ice still goes on. Can you stop it? Better to regulate it and tax it. Would you not rather see people from your community sharing a joint instead of drinking beers? If legal it would be cheaper than beer, everyone would have some plants in the back yard. And people are less violent stoned than drunk. Maybe even less broken glass on the sidewalks. Of course though, stiff penalties for anyone who promotes to children.

            Plus we sell hemp products in the U.S. But the hemp is imported because no one can legally grow them here. Hawaii could look at hemp as an industry but pakalolo needs to be legalized first.

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            • #7
              Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

              Originally posted by tutusue View Post
              And, they've been bandied about in this forum. Possibly GW can do a search.
              Sorry about that. I did not check that out. But, I probably wanted to debate it anyway. Since its an issue I feel strongly about.

              Now, I can let it drop.

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              • #8
                Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

                Originally posted by GnosticWarrior View Post
                If the Federal Govt. decided to legalize pakalolo, I think without a doubt Hawaii would be one of if not the biggest benefactor of that shift in policy.
                May be but I'm not sure I could bring myself to buy pot from Philip Morris.

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                • #9
                  Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

                  Originally posted by GnosticWarrior View Post
                  Sorry about that. I did not check that out. But, I probably wanted to debate it anyway. Since its an issue I feel strongly about.

                  Now, I can let it drop.
                  No need to let it drop. It's just that the other thread would've been a good place to carry on the discussion. Who knows...maybe admin will end up merging the 2 threads?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

                    Originally posted by GnosticWarrior View Post
                    I see you're point. Some Braddahs grow out of it and preach to the younger ones.
                    some of us grew up not able escape it, because adults in our lives used it. My pov of view isn't based on personally overcoming usage demons and it would be stupid to assume otherwise than those who feel strongly about keeping such substances illegal include a core demographic of those who grew up around users/abusers.

                    Math doesn't lie: communities that accept its usage also top many of the negative social indicator lists. It keeps my people down--my blood, my neighbors-- and I will do everything in my own power to lobby for its continued status. Regardless if you want your buzz or not.

                    So let's do the cold math:

                    First phase of the equation is: (J+D+S)=X

                    It takes x hours to seek out drugs, x being the sum of several factors, including j: physical jonesing; d: finding dumbass friends who deal it or knows a dealer and you have to cultivate those relationships to buy the shit and s:stealing $$ to pay for it, whether you steal it from your folks, or steal it from your own savings earmarked for something more substantive like college or a car or a house down payment or a new xbox360.

                    Let's review this first phase:

                    -J is mind intensive and goes from hours to years in a snap.
                    -D is time intensive and also goes from hours to years in a snap, plus there's always its annoying subset, Drama.
                    -S is expensive no matter how you look at it, and the worst price you pay is the ****ed-up habit development of immediate gratification instead of growth through sacrafice. This latter component is CRITICAL in becoming a good man!

                    Second phase: PH -(-PT) = H

                    PH is Proactive High. This is the time spent getting high from first toke to post-munchies. It always lasts hours. Sometimes, it is the whole waking part of your day. How many days have you spent in PH phase? PT is Productive Time, that which you would be using productively to get ahead, more knowledge, working out, getting a better job? Your PH not only replaces your PT in real time, but also subtracts its value because when it becomes a preferred habit, you would rather do PH than PT, hence the High is the physical time of being stoned minus the potential to do something better with yourself.

                    How is this harmonious with either capitalist principles of success or spiritually-successful living? No preaching, no bs, a genuine round worth thinking about.
                    Last edited by Pua'i Mana'o; March 17, 2007, 09:41 AM. Reason: edited because I suspect I am talking to a young adult and hope to reach him.

                    pax

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                    • #11
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                      tutusue,

                      Sorry, was not thinking again. I still a newbie to this message board thing.

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                      • #12
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                        nohoboy,

                        Even if PM was controlling it, it would still be grown in Hawaii. Just like Dole with the Pineapples. But the reason its not legallized is because no one can patent it and control it. Anyone living here, could easily grow their own smokes.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

                          Originally posted by GnosticWarrior View Post
                          nohoboy,

                          Even if PM was controlling it, it would still be grown in Hawaii. Just like Dole with the Pineapples. But the reason its not legallized is because no one can patent it and control it. Anyone living here, could easily grow their own smokes.
                          ...and make their own swipe, and cook their own meth...

                          pax

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                          • #14
                            Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

                            Pua'i Mana'o,

                            I see your personal perspective. For me, from a Japanese family background my dad smoked. He hid it, lied about it. I did not like the lying part. So when I would go to my Hawaiian friends parties and all the Ohana, father, son, uncles, aunties all smoking a joint, I was like yeah! This is how it should be.

                            But a parent should not be that friendly and smoke with thier underaged kids just because that's how it was for them, so I can understand why you're against it. And for the record I have uncles that started off sniffing paint, smoking weed, then went on to acid, cocaind, then ice and went to prison. Prison was the best thing for them. Only way they could break that life.

                            And yes being stoned is mostly just wasting time. However, it is a gateway drug and prepared my mind for shrooms. Don't know if I would have freaked out the first time I did it. Now that is a psychadelic! But it make you conscious. I am currently having some cool discussions over at the shroomery.org. I don't know if its because of how we all can relate to each other having done it?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Legalize Poker and Pakalolo

                              Originally posted by GnosticWarrior View Post
                              Would you not rather see people from your community sharing a joint instead of drinking beers?
                              The answer is no. If you're not suffering from some physical ailment that doctors believe pot will help alleviate, why do you need to share a joint?

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