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    Calgone, take me awayyyy!
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    • Re: The Iraq War - Chapter 5

      Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
      Calgone, take me awayyyy!
      The very image of Ron Whitfield in a bath full of flower petals disturbs me as much as seeing Saddam Hussein in his tighty-whitey.
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      • Re: The Iraq War - Chapter 5

        Originally posted by Random View Post
        The very image of Ron Whitfield in a bath full of flower petals
        Ron, do not - repeat, do NOT take your steel guitar into the tub with you!

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        • Re: The Iraq War - Chapter 5

          Let's all be glad I can't post pictures!

          Speaking of steel guitar, there will be good music at the Marriott Waikiki tonight at 6pm/3rd Fl., as there always is with Martin Pahinui, George Kuo, Aaron Mahi, and Bobby Ingano on steel. Probably the best Hawaiian music to be found in Waikiki.
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          • Re: The Iraq War - Chapter 5

            Hey Ron, the minute TuNnL is passing out compliments to me and Leo simultaneously, it's a "heads-up" moment. I can see the four of us and a few others swilling luke warm beer and telling stories, or arguing, as fast as we can, down by the beach. That's why this board is just about the best ever.
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            • Re: The Iraq War - Chapter 5

              Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
              Let's all be glad I can't post pictures!
              You have pictures?!?!!!
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              • Swilling beer as fast as we can on the beach sounds good...

                Pictures of that would be better suited for this forum

                By the way, last night at the Marriott was awesome. Good music/people/beer!
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                • Re: How to get out of it...?

                  Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
                  We'll never get out of it until we ship all the republicans to a different universe and let them start to screw that up.
                  Seriously, they gotta go!
                  This is what's wrong.... being blinded by hatred and being hyperpartisan. There is certainly no room to take anything you say seriously. You lose respect and credibility when you become so one sided.
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                  • Re: The Iraq War - Chapter 5

                    I'm all for veryone working together and fessing things out amicably, but it's a 2 way street, and when one side works to subvert everything and promote only their myopic agenda, then it's intollerable, and anybody that see's this happen contiusously developes an attitude is response. It comes from watching as one side takes on an us against them attitude to a degree to where nothing else matters so long as they take control and never let go. That's what's wrong, not my reaction.
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                    • Re: The Iraq War - Chapter 5

                      Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
                      I'm all for veryone working together and fessing things out amicably, but it's a 2 way street, and when one side works to subvert everything and promote only their myopic agenda, then it's intollerable, and anybody that see's this happen contiusously developes an attitude is response. It comes from watching as one side takes on an us against them attitude to a degree to where nothing else matters so long as they take control and never let go. That's what's wrong, not my reaction.
                      How's that any different than Democrats?

                      It's funny to see Hilary and Obama fight it out, sling stuff, and call names, etc... and now they talk nice, since they aren't competing against each other anymore.
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                      • Re: How to get out of it...?

                        Originally posted by LocalMotion View Post
                        You lose respect and credibility when you become so one sided.
                        I admit, while in disagreement with Ron as to how he aims his feelings on this topic, I don't feel the same "lack of respect." The politics of recent years have induced such frustrated anger in a growing segment of the population - in fact, I feel much of the same about the administrations of Presidents Reagan, Bush I & Bush II. But I was also sorely disappointed by President Clinton's terms, and that has helped me to see that the corrupting power of government affects most politicians regardless of party.

                        The key is in how we use our anger. Pointing fingers at "the other side" doesn't do it for me; while my viewpoints mostly fall into the liberal camp, I consider those with more conservative viewpoints as friends and neighbors, too, ones who can teach me their observations that fall outside my own experience. I don't have to agree with them in order to understand them; with understanding comes compromise, accommodation, cooperation, accomplishment - and the politicos (on BOTH sides) can't seem to do that anymore, so it's up to the American public to shake hands and talk.

                        I could see the Republican/Democrat divide devolve into something similar to the Troubles that plagued Northern Ireland for so long, or even the brother-against-brother violence of the American Civil War. There's too much "demonization" of fellow citizens with different viewpoints at present, led by those in charge of political parties and movements.

                        We're better than that, as a people, and we need to stop following their manipulative rhetoric.

                        Originally posted by timkona View Post
                        Hey Ron, the minute TuNnL is passing out compliments to me and Leo simultaneously, it's a "heads-up" moment. I can see the four of us and a few others swilling luke warm beer and telling stories, or arguing, as fast as we can, down by the beach. That's why this board is just about the best ever.
                        I've had the joyful pleasure of meeting, in person, people from HT with whom I've had online disagreements. We left politics aside, and focused instead on entertainment and gustatory pleasures.

                        P.S.) We're better than that, as a people, and we can find a way to keep the beer cold.

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                        • Re: How to get out of it...?

                          Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
                          I admit, while in disagreement with Ron as to how he aims his feelings on this topic, I don't feel the same "lack of respect."
                          lack of respect for me comes when someone just yells No, No, No... just cause you're a different label.

                          The key is in how we use our anger. Pointing fingers at "the other side" doesn't do it for me;
                          I totally agree with that. That's one of the reasons I really admire Bono from U2 and how he administers help and change in a positive way.
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                          • LM, the difference is...

                            ...that the republicans made a group decision during the end of Bill Clinton's last term, that they would do whatever they had to do to regain and stay in power, no matter what. Once they got the presidential power seat back with Bush, they pulled stunts like litterally shutting the doors behind themselves and keeping out the Dems when discussing and working out legislation on many important issues. That's just one example, and a comparatively minor example.
                            Cheney's Energy Commision was a classic example of 'nobody but us' attitudes imposed by. Now 6 years later we are still unable to get to the truth of those private meetings, but we are now seeing some of the results as the big oil boys are now salivating and are about to 'get theirs' from the Iraqi oil fields.
                            Remember when Bush went on national TV in 2003 and said point blank to our faces, "it's not about oil".
                            And if anyone thinks that gas prices will drop from the soon $10 per gallon accross the Nation when the US controls vast Iraqi oil wealth...
                            It's all another scam that we are allowing them to pull, and will also allow them to get away with.
                            It's stunning how America just sits and let's this all continue, like it's OK.
                            Last edited by Ron Whitfield; June 30, 2008, 04:26 PM.
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                            • Re: LM, the difference is...

                              Are we tapping into Iraq oil, even when they're being sporadically sabotaged by terrorists?

                              I mean we still need to stabilize the country before we could reap the benefit. But terrorists are doing a fine job of destabilizing the country. No electricity, no water and waste sanitation, not even effective security to give the citizens there a peace of mind, to want to go out and work, be it at your local power plant or oil drilling stations and refineries.

                              For the terrorist, the goal is to create not a victory for them, but a prolonged stalemate to make even the most hardlined Republicans to want to quit the game. Heck, I learned that from Star Trek: The Next Generation.
                              Last edited by Random; June 30, 2008, 04:40 PM.
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                              • Setting the playing field

                                www.truthout.org/article/us-advised-iraqi-ministry-oil-deals

                                Oh, but wait, maybe this is how they'll finally make Iraqi oil pay off the one trillion $'s this fake war has cost, on paper, so far.
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